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ique and important and you would be striving to satisfy
> each and everyone of them as much as you possibly could.

   I do treat each net as "special" and spend long nights working on problems
that arise. Out of all the people that I work with within the networks we
carry, you are the most demanding. 

> We all want to work together to make this cost effective for the sysops
> and to enhance their BBSs with the bottom line being user satisfaction.

    That is correct. But to force a person to choose between dedicating his
dish, that he bought for Tv, for a 24 hour feed for a few extra mail bundles is
not cost effective. Concidering that most Rime users on our system are your end
sites, so to speak, who mainly made one call per day to pick up mail. The only
ones who want it added on the fly are the big hubs who call four or fives times
a day to pick up mail. If they want thier mail turned around that fast then
they better stick to the phone lines. There is no possible way to get that kind
of turn around on the satellite unless Rime was the only thing we were sending.

> To do that most effectively, we have to know what the limits of the
> system is and you have to know what we want from the system and we have
> to strike some grounds that works for both ends.

       I have told you over the phone what the limits were. In order to find
this ground there has to be some giving and taking. I am too straight forward
for this. If you want diplomacy you would be better off talking to Joe.


...Boyd

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From: JASON BUCHANAN                         Number: 1009
  To: DAVE PETRUCCI                            Date: 05/18/94  5:00p
Subj: Tossers for .BAG's\Gigo                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


hey Dave!  what's up?

In a msg of <17 May 94 - 00:02>,
Dave Petrucci wrote to Steve Oliver about "Tossers for .BAG's\Gigo":

 >> Mike, the best BAG program out there is Jasons GIGO.  You can pick it up
 >> from Planet Connects BBS.  We just registered it for use here.  IT works
 >> great and fast.  It converts them to Fido style and then I use Fastecho
 >> (also registered recently) to toss them.

 DP>        How have you handled the FastEcho 900+ echo limit?

The new FastEcho handles 2048 areas.  It's slated for release real soon.

You might also want to check into using PacketSorter.  It speeds up JAM and
squish tossing quite a bit.  File-requestable here as PSRT_11B.ZIP 110Kb.


later...
jsb

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From: JOHN DODSON                            Number: 1010
  To: SID BALCOM                               Date: 05/18/94 11:22a
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

SB>packets during the day. I'm seeing too many variables that keep delivery fro
SB>being reliable. For some reason, the satellite computer went to gibberish th
SB>morning and I lost all of the mail files on the first pass. Second pass brou
SB>in all but 4, and I figure to get them on the 3rd pass.

Interesting.  Same thing happenened here on Saturday the 14th... the PC
screen going to gibberish.  Glad to know it was not a 'local' problem (I
think).  This has happened to me once before.

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From: MICKEY FERGUSON                        Number: 1011
  To: HENRY MOORE                              Date: 05/19/94  1:02a
Subj: Blinking Lights                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

* In a message originally to Chuck Gustafson, Henry Moore said:
HM> I'm currently running a 2 or 3 meg (can't remember right off hand)
HM> hyperdisk cache with a 5 second write delay. Makes me feel better to
HM> see the little hard drive light blink less often. Haven't noticed any
HM> problems.

I'm running an IDE controller with 1 meg of cache on the controller card.
My drive light blinks exactly once per file....when the DATA light on the
Satellite Data Receiver goes out.  Unless, of course the incoming file is
larger than a meg, then it blinks once per meg. ;)

Mickey

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From: MICKEY FERGUSON                        Number: 1012
  To: JON ANDERSON                             Date: 05/19/94  1:09a
Subj: Re: dongle and os/2                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

* In a message originally to Boyd Goodin, Jon Anderson said:

JA>My dish has sat here unusable for many months... am getting
JA>very antsey....  Have heard of a beta solution w/ new
JA>dongle... Could ya please assuage my fears a bit??

Mayhaps my knowledge of OS/2 is a bit lacking, but what does adding:

IOPL=PTCCMAIN.EXE

to your CONFIG.SYS do??????  I don't have a machine here running OS/2 at
present so I can't try it.  But from what I read, seems like it just "might"
work.

Mickey

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From: JON ANDERSON                           Number: 1013
  To: ALL , INCL. PETER CONWAY                 Date: 05/16/94  2:59p
Subj: Global connect bus.pract.               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I am flabergasted to have received a note from Mr. Peter Conway of 'Global
Connect' ,sent netmail and private, on the matter of my new account with that
company, and I feel it's imperative that all users here and in the general bbs
community be aware of 'Global Connect's practices, which I now feel are
arbitrary, purile, and capricious.

A little history:  Global Connect advert'd in a widely-distributed zip file
that they were newly in business and that it had gained the ability to sign-up
BBS's as internet sites.   The fee was $30 per month, after  startup costs (the
first 2 months cost $100 dollars) , which i though was quite fair...  I sent in
a signed agreement and instructed GC to process my fees via a credit card.  I
heard nothing from them for over a week, again, no big deal.

The next thing I noted was an advertisement placed here by GC which described
services which were significantly different (especially cost-wise) from my own
contract.   I posted a note here (perhaps you read it) noting the disparities.

Today I received a note from Mr. Peter Conway of Global Connect advising me
that he had cancelled my contract and was returning all monies. !!!!!!!!

He described that the differences between my own contract and what was recently
advertised were due to changes in GC's policies ..and he noted that GC could
not research all it's many users to see who might qualify for what ... He
suggested that my note in this conference was inappropriate .. that it was my
own duty to call GC (long distance) to see if any  changes affected me ..  He
thought my posting of the differences (which he admitted were true changes) was
unprofessional, and cancelled my account.

He also intimated that I could be guilty of 'slander' (!!)  even though my
statements were true.

GC advertised itself as being 'formed by ex-sysops' to serve the needs of
sysops ... that they understood 'sysop problems' and were anxious to work with
us. (Source: advert's , and my initial personal call to Mr. Conway to establish
my bbs's account).

It is remarkable that a contract means so little to GC that they would take the
extraordinary step of punishing my bbs and its large number of users by it's
cancellation... It defies understanding.

If Mr. Conway would give me permission here to publish his netmail to me, I
will be happy to share with all of you his interesting note.

Mr. Conway feels I may have defamed his organization by my posting... Were he
really interested in good public relations and working with sysops he'd agree
that it would have been better had he addressed the issues directly and
politely here in the conference, dispelled any fears that sysops might be
subject to unfair treatment, and taken the steps to enhance my own contract
with GC to reflect their policy changes instituted after my signinng on.

That a bbs and its users can be so vulnerable is just unacceptable.  Bbs's
which signon with GC, I'm lead to conclude, may at any moment be stripped of
their internet access by whimsy and baseless accusations.

If Mr. Conway really feels I have 'slandered' (sic) his company I encourage him
to file a complaint with all appropriate parties, including the court system.

I would also encourage other sysops to examine very carefully their
relationship with this company and to decide if setting up their users to be as
vulnerable as Boston Gas BBS was to outrageous dictatorial intolerance of
legitimate criticism is in users' best interest.

If any 'GC internet BBS' which expresses any idea critical of or questioning
any business practice of Global Connect or any of it's officers does so at
extreme risk to itself and it's users. Global Connect's actions are tantamount
to my and my users loss of the right to speech, even if the comments are true.

Boston Gas BBS prides itself in honorable treatment of it's users.  We would
not be caring properly for our 2000+ registrants (most of whom are
professionals in the areas of medicine and engineering) were we to contract
with Global Connect for the internet.   I feel fortunate that the business
practices of Global Connect became clear before any dependency developed.


Jon Anderson, MD
Boston Gas BBS


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 * Boston Gas * 413-539-9834 * FidoNet:1:321/325 * Med/Sci/Engnr
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From: AL HEDSTROM                            Number: 1014
  To: MARK ADKINS                              Date: 05/17/94  7:44a
Subj: Pc & desqview                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Thanks for the info Al. How was your speed under this setup?

I had a single card with dual serial ports (16550) and an STB 4-port card (a
single chip 16550 controlled all four) and a bus mouse.  Modems were Practical
Peripherals PM14400FXSA v.32bis.  I had a single mail door (Cam's) and no games
(ran a business/production-oriented system).

Since everything was on a single machine, speed was no problem.  I also rarely
had all six nodes busy at the same time, but saw so degradation from the logs
or caller feedback.

Al
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From: JON ANDERSON                           Number: 1015
  To: ALL                                      Date: 05/18/94  3:40a
Subj: Global connect and gas                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I want to post this update to a previous comment issued by me with regard to my
experience with contracting with the Global Connect company and Mr. Terry
Conway:

I posted that I believed it was extremely inappropriate that GC canceled my
internet access contract.

Since that time, netmail and a voice call from Mr. Conway has completely
resolved the issue.  Terry, by voice, agreed to reverse his companies actions.
He was polite and very cooperative and spontaneously agreed that his staff
would review how it acts out its policies.

We've arrived at a mutually agreed-upon resolution and look forward to a
continued relationship with Global Connect.  It is our understanding that
internet connections via Global Connect are _not_ fragile arrangements.   I can
now endorse Terry and his company: they acted responsibly and cooperatively in
this matter.

jon
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 * Boston Gas * 413-539-9834 * FidoNet:1:321/325 * Med/Sci/Engnr
 * PostLink(tm) v1.20 GAS (#154) : RelayNet(tm)

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From: BONNIE ANTHONY                         Number: 1016
  To: MURRAY PLETSCH                           Date: 05/18/94  6:23a
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

MPBINGO....it seems to me that 26,000 Fidonet nodes could possibly be a
MPlittle more of a priority than 1,400 Rime Nodes......:-)

all pigs are equal but some pigs are more equal than others?  <grin>
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From: CLAY THOMAS                            Number: 1017
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 05/16/94  7:51p
Subj: Software                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd
mmm will there be any software for the amiga to acess the satellite

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From: AARON LEWIS                            Number: 1018
  To: ALL                                      Date: 05/16/94  8:31p
Subj: Thread                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

New here what is the thread to this conference.?
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 * PostLink(tm) v1.20 OLDTOWN (#203) : RelayNet(tm)

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From: DAVE MILLER                            Number: 1019
  To: BILL CLARK                               Date: 05/18/94  9:07a
Subj: KU Band Data Receiver Deficiencies      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

* Original Area: PCSITES
* Original To  : Bill Clark (1:285/2)

 BC> I've not seen this AGC circuit oscillation problem with the KU band data
 BC> receiver mentioned in PCSITES or PLANET_CONNECT, so am
 BC> interested in whether the receiver I have is defective
 BC> and Bruce was "blowing smoke", or if this is a common
 BC> problem.  If the problem is common, then the IDC KU
 BC> band data receivers suffer from serious design
 BC> shortcomings, as no quality receiver of any type on
 BC> loss of signal or power, should go into AGC circuit
 BC> oscillation when signal or power is restored.  Can you
 BC> imagine how many satellite TV receivers would be sold
 BC> if they had AGC circuit oscillation problems, or TV
 BC> receivers, or FM radios, or cellular phones, or, or....?

Hi Bill,

Although it has not been mentioned in this echo I can assure you that Bruce is
not "blowing smoke".  I run the EDGE BBS here in Papillion Nebraska and have
noticed the same shortcommings in the receiver.  Being a Lead Enginner with
Harris Corp I am responsible for the Design and operation of several S-Band,
C-BAND, and KU-BAND downlink sites for the reception of Weather data for my
company and the governmant.  If I ever bought a piece of equipment that
exibhited theses problem in the line of work someone else would have my job if
a system design change ws not implemented to correct such problems within the
week.  One of these days when I have nothing better to do I'll bring the
receiver in to work where I have the RF test gear I need and I'll perform a few
measurements and map out the design to see if maybe a simple componet change
can dappen out the AGC gain swing.  That is if it is an AGC problem.  The first
time I saw the symptoms I thought I was seeing an AFC problem and I was
noticing it sweeping the frequency pass the carrier while the demod was looking
for a valid signal.

Regards,  Dave

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From: DAVE PETRUCCI                          Number: 1020
  To: JOE HAYES                                Date: 05/19/94  1:27a
Subj: Re: Is It Me????                        Refer: NONE
Read: NO                                    Private: No

 >Well either way I just ordered a couple to try out.
 >I just put the Zoom cenference on and it looks like there are a lot of
 >problems with them, at least thats what most of the messages are about..
 >One thing I have noticed right off is FD doesn't have an errorlevel for
 >28800? Is that going to be a problem?
 >-Joe

Joe,
       If you check again, you'll find that most of the
       problems are about not getting 28.8k CONNECTS....
       It is not realistic for anyone to expect to be getting
       great connects all the time with one of the new V.FC
       modems.  Particularly with all the bad phone lines.

       The FD problem was address and resolved with vers 2.12 ... Dave P.

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From: MAC BRYANT                             Number: 1021
  To: EARL ALBIN                               Date: 05/18/94  6:20a
Subj: Trashed files                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

  Hi, Earl.

  |        I can't say how much of the FIDO mail gets the TCH, but a few minute
  |before Noon today (Friday 13th), while waiting for the RIME messages to bega
  |I saw a 0000FFFF.FR? file get trashed.  Not sure of the ? number, but it was
  |next to the last one sent as I recall.  The RIME then began with our six
  |packets, and one of them got trashed!  This has been an ongoing problem, and
  |have come to expect it.  I ring up our Nethub and download the trashed packe
  |over AT&T (prime time!)

  Interesting. I never had this problem until I had to replace my
  receiver with a new one. On the old meter, the needle was at 90%. On
  this one, it's at 50. I don't know if I need to fine-tune the
  alignment or not, but these trashed files are getting to me -
  especially the ones with no errors. I don't take RIME so I wouldn't
  know about that, but I do know I didn't have this bad a problem with
  the old receiver that went bad. I wonder if this one is flaky too in
  a different way. I talked to a fella at PC last week and he suggested
  changing back to the Nov. 1993 version of PTCCMAIN which I did. Still
  happening.

EA|BTW, real pretty weather...no storms or the like...calm air, and signal on t
  |receiver meter is a solid 8  (3/4 scale).  We in RIME have been led to belie
  |that we are the only net having this type of problems.  Have the 3' Ku syste

  A little different here. We have been having bad storms and I can
  understand the trash then, but not, like you say, when the skies are
  clear. I too have the 3' KU system.

  Have a good one.

  .\\ac

 * QMPro 1.02 49-6919 * Hobbits Network with Tolkien Ring Adapters


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From: MAC BRYANT                             Number: 1022
  To: ART MACK                                 Date: 05/18/94  6:21a
Subj: U'NI Net                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

AM|MB>   Have you given any thought to my suggestion of updating LEDGE.QWK so
  |MB>   it's not almost 2 days old when we get it via the satellite?

AM|Yes here here........good point......

  Thanks, Art. Glad it's not just me. Now if Boyd would reply, maybe we
  could get fresher mail.

  .\\ac

 * QMPro 1.02 49-6919 * Natchez - Where the Old South Still Lives & Lives & Liv


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From: JOHN DODSON                            Number: 1023
  To: ROY TIMBERMAN                            Date: 05/25/94  4:41p
Subj: Rime                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

RT>Can you then understand why I'm concerned that RIME does not seem
RT>to be accomplishing what appears to be effortless in presenting
RT>the mail for the economical consumption of the participating
RT>sysops?  Which is additionally costing me LOTS of money to
RT>transfer something that I should be getting for next to nothing?

Hi Roy, Rime has been on the bird since about the 1st of April.  If you
are a Rime node and not taking advantage it, now is time to get on the
stick.

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From: BRIAN HART                             Number: 1024
  To: GLEN DAVIS                               Date: 05/26/94 12:34a
Subj: Signal Degradation                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 GD> I'm running 3' KU, 125' RG-6 coax from dish to
 GD> receiver.  There is one M-M coax connector with ground
 GD> 25' from receiver side.  I installed in December,
 GD> buried the cable (lucky weather), peaked the meter
 GD> around 9 with a test cable at the site and hooked up to
 GD> run.  Meter settled right around 7-8 for the winter.
 GD> Is increased temperature the likely culprit?  Anything
 GD> I can do to increase signal strength other than

 Hello Glen, Could be the problem is with the coax or the connection.
If you didn't put it in conduit, there may be a problem with moisture.
BTW, 3/4" pvc conduit is only $1+ per 10', cheap!

Brian


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From: HIRAM BEMBRY                           Number: 1025
  To: JOE HAYES                                Date: 05/26/94  2:23a
Subj: Is It Me????                            Refer: NONE
Read: NO                                    Private: No

JH>I have the original file here Chris, just a screw up on my part.
  >Seems I am running a "Hybird"
  >I installed 2.12 on top of 2.02 then re-installed 2.02 back on top of
  >2.12.
  >Now I have something inbetween??

A mutant....isn't genetics great!!!!!!!!
...
 * QMPro 1.52 * Gene Police!!!!  You - Out of the pool... NOW!

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From: SID BALCOM                             Number: 1026
  To: JIM DUNMYER                              Date: 05/24/94  4:56a
Subj: INTERNATIONAL GENEALO                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message of <May 22 09:34>, Jim Dunmyer (1:234/2) writes:
 JD>>Perhaps you or someone else could answer the question of "Why all the
 JD>>different Networks?" I'm talking about FTN, running different Zone
 JD>>numbers... It sure complicates life, and I see absolutely NO reason for
        1. People get fed up with all of the political BS that's inherent in
Fidonet.
        2. It's like comparing Fidonet to the Queen Mary and the XYZNet to an
MG Sports Car when trying to get anything done.
        3. A lot of the nets are 'specialty' nets - like genealogy - so that
everything that goes on in the net is of special interest. With Fidonet, you've
gotta deal with miles and miles of stuff that you aren't interested in.

 JD>>Like you, I'd love to participate in Jack's Genealogy network, as I have
 JD>>many users who are quite into it. But, I have lots better things to do
 JD>>than try to figure out how to make my software operate in different
 JD>>Zones. I know it'll do it, as many others do it now, but I also know
 JD>>that it's a PITA, so I flat refuse to try.
        Aaaahhhh, sounds like there is the REAL reason. Your software is
difficult to configure.

++ Sid ++





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From: GARY RYNO                              Number: 1027
  To: BONNIE ANTHONY                           Date: 05/24/94 10:30p
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Seems to me the "noise makers" in here are not really the RIME sysops.

You're right.  It's just you.

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From: BILL ROPER                             Number: 1028
  To: ALEX STUART                              Date: 05/25/94  7:29p
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> imagine one could get at least part of the information out of the tem
-> file by spoofing the enviornment in various ways. I can't, for the li
-> imagine why one would want to do that, and haven't really looked at i
-> thought about it :-). If Rime, for some reason that quite escapes me,
-> wanted security they'd encrypt the archive.

With the attitude of their leader that I have seen in here recently,
why would anyone even want it? (g)....

cheers...

Bill...


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From: TIM FIERRO                             Number: 1029
  To: BOB MORTIMER                             Date: 05/25/94  3:01p
Subj: Pc-maintenance                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

BM>   =>of my message bundles yesterday until the third pass. All of us
BM>   =>are missing something nearly everyday. It's just the nature of
BM>   =>the beast.
BM>
BM> I disagree. It is not the nature of the beast. We should not accept what is
BM> happening just because eventually we get what we want. Would you accept
your
BM> bank service telling you that it is the nature of tellers to make mistakes
so
BM> accept it? Would you accept your car dealer telling that it is the nature
of a
BM> new car to have some defects so accept it?

We know going in that the technology is new and that things may
not be the best compared to our traditional methods.  Knowing
this, we accept as subscribers to take this service for the cost
savings it can produce for heavily mail orientated systems or
even the sysop who is calling for just one net via LD calls.

I would not accept a 'new' car from a dealer with known defects
at the price asked for new, but I will accept that car with
defects if the adjusted price for said defects make it worthwhile
to go this route.

This satellite feed may not be suited for the sysop who likes to
call every 4 hours to his current feed for fresh mail as the
satellite feed cannot be utilized in the same manner.  The dish
will not give immediate mail as there is no way currently to
allow this.  This is just an opinion and things may have changed
or are changing to allow this to happen.  With a live feed
though, it will be easier to miss bundles of any network's mail.
Instead of being hours old, with a live feed as it comes in, we
might not get the mail.  I will take it late, as opposed to not
at all.



BM> Research the amount of time spent on all the files that have been sent
every
BM> cycle, every day, for the past months. I come up with about 35 files at 1.3
BM> meg. of files that are what I call IN-HOUSE files. It was suggested that
new PC
BM> users need these files. A 1.4 meg disk included with all new data receiver
BM> being sent out could save us approx. 3 meg of data time a day. That's about
a
BM> 6% to 9% savings.  This doesn't take into consideration the load on the
system
BM> of the shareware that comes in our FILES directory that are of questionable
use
BM> for the majority of PC users.


It is true that there is a lot of files that land here I have no
use for and even the Members here may not care for, but there are
other subscribers to PC than just us. :)  They might have a use
for them and probably appreciate it being on the system.

I do wish that the IN-HOUSE files would slow down, but you can't
discount their value being sent out routinely.  I would like to
see the TVDEMO file sent out probably every few days or once a
week since it is not changing.  I am sure there are probably a
few others that don't need to be sent each run but merely ever
few days or every weekend.  This way the newbies will have the
files over the bird, but they can be informed they get sent say
"Every Saturday & Sunday".  Since we don't run PC, it is up to
their discretion on when to send though.  They would probably
like to have all their subscribers to have access to these files
at any given moment instead of only on certain days.



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From: TIM FIERRO                             Number: 1030
  To: RAY SNOW                                 Date: 05/25/94  3:13p
Subj: Why the security?                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

RS> BA>I see.  So you don't do anything then, the software does it by
RS> BA>delievering it and then deleting it?  The donegal doesn't prevent the

RS> *IF* that suspicion is semi-accurate, this prompts the inevitable thoughts:
1.
RS> Why does the software write to disk constantly, regardless of
RS>    flagging, user-paid security levels, etc? When things could be
RS>    simply read by the pgm and not written at all upfront if the
RS>    user is not "authorized" to receive?
RS> 2. Ultimate security of the approach. It seems to me that such an
RS>    approach could be easily tricked and circumvented.

I wonder though, why a network would want to have their mail
bundles with security and "authorized" to unzip it etc...?

What harm is there in letting it flow like some of the other nets
with no security and authorization to run?  It is already
required to buy the Postlink software before you can import the
RIME stuff if I remember correctly?  Besides, even if you can
import without the need for Postlink, the sysop who is importing
still won't be able to export to anyone since he/she would not be
an official node recognized by the network?  Mail may end up on a
system, but useless unless the sysop joins the network.

Can you expand on this on why it is necessary?  I have not been
involved with RIME in a quite a few years, but am curious as to
why this approach was needed.  I know that ILink also has some
form of requirement of altering the packet for use, so it is not
just RIME, so I am asking for clarification of why it would be
needed since you are in RIME and may know why it was chosen
instead of letting the mail flow normally.



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From: TIM FIERRO                             Number: 1031
  To: ROY TIMBERMAN                            Date: 05/25/94  3:40p
Subj: Zone Numbers Can Be Impor               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

*@SUBJECT:Zone Numbers Can Be Important                               N
RT> JD>Or is there some sort of technical reasoning behind all this?
RT>
RT> I see we are in agreement here... <g>
RT>
RT> There is, as you and I are both aware, absolutely no logical
RT> reason to play the multi-zone game.

You have to remember, just because a sysop has a mailer
installed, does not automatically mean he is associated with
FidoNet.  There are sysops who will belong to 10 other networks
with his mailer, but not be associated with FidoNet.

So with that said, it is easy to see why someone would create
their own zone number so they can echo to everyone without the
requirement of the recruited nodes to become part of FidoNet.

Sysop with mailer <> FidoNet Sysop


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From: DENNIS POWERS                          Number: 1032
  To: RAY SNOW                                 Date: 05/25/94  6:44p
Subj: Rime Mail                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Ray!

22 May 94, Ray Snow writes to Bonnie Anthony:

 RS> to receive? 2. Ultimate security of the approach. It seems to me that such
 RS> an approach could be easily tricked and circumvented.

For what reason? Without a return path Rime mail is useless.

-><-Dennis

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From: BONNIE ANTHONY                         Number: 1033
  To: DENNIS MAIDON                            Date: 05/25/94  4:02a
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

DMOops, I distinctly remember you calling Tom a "liar" several years ago DMwhen
the Wildcat! conference was being set up. There was a big stink in DMRIME
pertaining to that, as you alone, were right and everyone else was DMwrong.
Sounds awful familar, doesn't it?

I have not now nor ever called Mr. Tcimipidis a "liar."

DMNow, who's memory is going lax?  If your were a postage stamp, there DMwould
be no place to put the glue as your face would be on both sides of DMit.

Hmnm.  Thanks for the comic relief.
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From: BONNIE ANTHONY                         Number: 1034
  To: SID BALCOM                               Date: 05/25/94  4:05a
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

SB        It's not something I want to see here. There are days when I SBNEED
that third pass to get everything. I'm not in favor of seeing it in SBFido
stuff.

that would be fine.  If something is available each net could decide for
themselves, if that is at all possible, how they would like things done for
their network.  That helps keep each network rolling smoothly, as it is now.

SB        Maybe it'll work. I prefer to see some set cycles. I depend on SBthe
end of set cycles to have the computer automagically start my SBtossing. If
files are going to be replaced on the fly, I think I would SBhave a problem
knowing when I could toss and not lose anything.

I am not familiar with the various software other than what I use myself Sid,
but couldn't you have a batch file that would test of the presence of something
and if it were there go ahead and toss the mail and if it weren't wait for a
set period of time and then try again?

SB        From your writings, it appears that your tolerance for variation SBis
rather low. I can deal with the variations because of the codes that

well I don't think that is quite accurate Sid.  I feel that there are certain
givens, and after that it is all up for grabs.  That allows for quite a bit of
variation.

SBBoyd embeds in the signals. But, from what I see, there can be as much SBas a
five-hour variation in the times that your first bunch of files SBwill come
through; and I would imagine that would expand to a 10-hour SBwindow for the
second pass.

a 5 hour difference is quite large.  We are currently tracking that to see what
the variation actually is as sometimes what one imagines something to be is
quite different than it actually turns out to be.

However, the way it is rolling now, for us, seems quite good and within our
tolerance.  New ideas are always welcomed and certainly can be tried and
accepted or discarded as they come along.

SB        We are talking about 19.2kbs and we are talking about one band.

it may be possible to increase the speed, or reduce the errors.

SBOpening up a second band is going to require an additional receiver (if SByou
want to receive on two bands). The bandwidth is quite fixed.

it would require something to be different, but perhaps it could multitask?  I
am not all that familiar with this technology so I can't say what exactly would
be required but we could ask Boyd and he could certainly tell us what was
foolish thinking and what might change down the road.

SB        But, you don't seem to understand. It's NOT a selective send.

I understand that perfectly.  Things on the satellite are working very well for
us currently, so that it appears that what we requested and was offered was
entirely possibly within the confines of the current technology and setup.  I
don't see any problems at this time so the issues we are talking about are
really just interesting things to talk about.

SBThere just ain't no way to make it so that you are receiving RIME at the
SBsame time I'm receiving Fido out of the same data stream. It would SBrequire
another uplink, another transponder on the satellite and a SBdifferent
receiving configuration.

I don't know if this is a correct statement or not but even if it were I don't
quite see the relevance to it.

SB        I STRONGLY suggest that you get yourself a dish and a receiver. SBA
couple weeks of 'baptism by fire' would give you a helluva education.

I have a dish and a receiver but no way to mount it.  When I get a mount I
certainly will have it up.  But I do think you are mistaken about how the RIME
files work exactly.

SB        Yes, EVERY byte of data that Boyd sends out lands on my hard SBdrive.
I throw a lot of it away; Boyd's program can be configured so SBthat I never
see some, or all of the data - depending on my choices. SBBut, Boyd's program
can be configured so that every byte of that data SBstream is safely recorded
on my hard drive.

Please check this out with Boyd.  I think you are mistaken.  The RIME files are
not written to your hard disk.

SB        Oh, believe me, Boyd has bent over backwards to give Rime SBspecial
treatment. That has very quickly become very clear.

I think Boyd worked hard with us to get us what we want within the limits of
the system.  I sincerely hope that Boyd would work hard with any network to
give them what they want withint the limits of the system.  And his working
hard like that for one network, takes nothing away from another network.

SBBut, the meeting of the goals are a LONG ways off. The satellite SBtransfers
are in their infancy. We are using machetes to hack out a path SBin the jungle.
We are a long ways from civilization, yet!

Agreed.  But worth working toward.
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From: BONNIE ANTHONY                         Number: 1035
  To: SID BALCOM                               Date: 05/25/94  7:42a
Subj: Re-zipping         <cont>               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

SB        Nope! I've got goals that may not be met for several years, SByet.
I'm moving 100 megabytes (compressed) of data through here SBeach and every
day. We are constantly finding ways to improve SBthe flow of mail. But, the
meeting of the goals are a LONG ways SBoff. The satellite transfers are in
their infancy. We are using SBmachetes to hack out a path in the jungle. We are
a long ways SBfrom civilization, yet!

Well, what you are saying is that you have dreams about how it will evolve over
time.  And yes, of course, we should all be trying to find ways to contstantly
improve the flow of mail.

However, for right now, for what it is, it is great.
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From: BONNIE ANTHONY                         Number: 1036
  To: SID BALCOM                               Date: 05/25/94  7:58a
Subj: Re-zipping     <conto                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

SB        In fact, if you posted messages like that in my echoes, I would
SBdeclare them inflammatory and would take appropriate action.

well lucky this is not your "echo" then.  But it isn't mine either, it belongs
to technical support for the PC folks so these kinds of discussions, and these
personal negative statements are really off topic in here. So let's move on.

SBthat if I can easily serve a large group at $40 per head, or if SBI am going
to have to cater to a small group that is making SBdifficult demands at $40 per
head, I'm going to go with the SBlarge group that's easy to serve.

I wish you lots of luck in your business endeavors then.

SB        It would be nice if your software would do quotes properly so SBthat
we can follow the conversations better.

I'll keep that in mind, although you are the first person who ever complained
about my "quotes" being improperly done.
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From: BONNIE ANTHONY                         Number: 1037
  To: FOXY FERGUSON                            Date: 05/25/94  7:57a
Subj: Re-zipping     <conto                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

FF SO WERE OURS! We adjusted to the different technology. How 'bout you
FFtrying to do the same, 'stead of just bitchin'??

well, our network wished to move ahead with what had been discussed and what
was feasible.

We now have a system in place that is working very well for us and we will
continue to move forward with it.

Actually, we aren't complaining at all.  In fact, I don't see anyone from RIME
in here making any negative statements at all.
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From: JOHN HRUSOVSZKY                        Number: 1038
  To: BOB WATSON                               Date: 05/25/94 10:25p
Subj: Lightning Arrestor                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JH>>Now, let's say that the electricity in and around the LNB in an
JH>>electrical storm shorts the regulator in the LNB...what will happen
JH>>to the data receiver?  (I've still not opened mine up to 'inspect'
JH>>its inards).  Is there any internal fuses that it will blow in the
JH>> IF line?

 BW> Chances are it will fry also, unless you have a good, solid
 BW> ground in between to try to dump some of the charge off before
 BW> it reaches the receiver. Granted, some of the charge will reach
 BW> it, but it won't be as strong as with no ground. Hopefully the
 BW> receiver is built well enough to withstand what does get
 BW> through.

Agreed, but, what I was asking, Bob, is this:  let's say that the LNB
regulator shorts to ground.  Now, will this put a strain on the
regulator in the receiver, causing it also to blow, or will the
regulation circuit merely shut down, in the data receiver?
Reason I ask, is I have worked on a _LOT_ of Uniden Satellite Receivers,
and if the LNB shorts, 99.9% of the time it will also blow 2 internal
fuses in the receiver _AND_ blow apart the 18v regulator.

--jah

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From: JOHN HRUSOVSZKY                        Number: 1039
  To: BOB WATSON                               Date: 05/25/94 10:25p
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

MP>>My, my, my didn't we open a hornet's nest now...? :-) I am sure
MP>>Planet Connect did not promise to send anybody's mail first
MP>>second or third.  Here is the analogy.....when the NATO countries
MP>>get together for their meetings, is the President of Luxemburg or
MP>>the President of The United States of America always in the centre
MP>>of the photo....?  I wonder if it has anything to do with the
MP>>population numbers....? :-)

 BW> The point isn't who's mail is send first or second. The point
 BW> is that some of the nets are being treated like a lower class
 BW> then others. That is not right. We must all live here together
 BW> and everyone should get the same treatment. It doesn't matter
 BW> what the population is, each net deserves the same respect!

The same respect, yes, I agree with you.  However, Planet Connect is a
business.  They will cater to those that butter their bread.
Example: one of the businesses I own sells equipment and supplies to
dairy cow farmers.  We have about 1200 accounts.  We also have about 4
accounts with dairy GOAT farmers.  Guess how many goat supplies I stock
as compared to COW supplies?

--jah

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From: HARRY MOYLES                           Number: 1040
  To: JIM DUNMYER                              Date: 05/24/94  3:07p
Subj: INTERNATIONAL GENEALO                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > Like you, I'd love to participate in Jack's Genealogy network, as I
 > have many users who are quite into it. But, I have lots better
 > things to do than try to figure out how to make my software operate
 > in different Zones. I know it'll do it, as many others do it now,
 > but I also know that it's a PITA, so I flat refuse to try.
 >
 > --- FLAME v1.0/b

Hello Jim. I see your running Tbbs with Georges Flame program. Well I hate to
tell ya this but you cant run the different nets very well and most give up. I
use to run the free bbs Maximus and had 10 different nets up and running and
each had its own net and node number. With out much of a problem at all. Well
tbbs is VERY OLD and doesnt work with a darn with Mail. With 60,000 message
limit and topic boards and such. I cant wait if ever Phil will update the mail
problem. So we have unlimmited mail and beable to run the different Net that
use the qwk packets. Like the fishing net Hunting net and some of the better
nets.
Whats funny is most BBS software now have made it easer to use with the
different nets now, but some reason Phil is spending all there time working on
dir internet access. I guess mail will be put on the back burner for a while..
Later Harry..

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From: JEFF WARD                              Number: 1041
  To: DAVE DENNETT                             Date: 05/25/94  5:50p
Subj: Security                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > I also would like to comment that I have never seen so many
 > unprofessional comments, as those I have seen from some of the
 > FIDO sysops directed at Bonnie Anthony.   Perhaps when you
 > spoke to her of "One of the boys" you were being quite literal.
 >  In any case, I am glad to say I am not "One of the boys", and
 > also glad to see you expending time and energy for us.   I
 > could never have afforded to take the entire network without
 > your service,  and I think this is a benefit to all involved.
 > I just hope the mudslinging doesnt cause a rift in an otherwise
 > good situation.

 Sorry Dave. I don't know if you have been following the entire thread between
Bonnie and Boyd or not, but I believe that most of the comments were made in
defense of Boyd and Planet Connect after reading the comments from Bonnie. I
don't believe the responses were unwarranted. As far as unprofessional, a
couple of responses could have been more tactful, but the content should and
will not be chnaged.

 Hope you enjoy the system and you'll find that Boyd and PC really do bend over
backwards to help out everyone. Later!

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From: DARYL TURNER                           Number: 1042
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 05/25/94 12:55a
Subj: MDN Areas                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message of <21-May-94 11:29:33> Dave Osborne (1:123/301.2) wrote:

 DO>> I'm not even sure if this'll reach you are not.  It appears the MDN
 DO>> areas are dead as they are linked through Souvestre and Planet
 DO>> Connect.  I've heard there is a link break between Zone 2 and Zone 1.

 DO> 1) There was a link break.

 DO> 2) MSDN has been discontinued because of lack of funding.

Thanks for the message, Dave.

Does this mean the MSDN is completely dead, or just dead on this side
of the ocean?

   Daryl


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From: CHRIS BATES                            Number: 1043
  To: JOE HAYES                                Date: 05/25/94  4:19p
Subj: Is It Me????                            Refer: NONE
Read: NO                                    Private: No

 > CB> Hmm, maybe not... I have it here, and you can FREQ it as magic file
 > CB> FRONTDOOR or filename FD212.ARJ...

 > CB> Good Luck!
 > CB> chris

 > I have the original file here Chris, just a screw up on my part.
 > Seems I am running a "Hybird" I installed 2.12 on top of 2.02 then
 > re-installed 2.02 back on top of 2.12. Now I have something inbetween??

Dang!  Sounds like you have been having fun over there!

chris

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From: CHRIS BATES                            Number: 1044
  To: ALL                                      Date: 05/26/94  2:11a
Subj: Automation of Mail.                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello All!

I have been experiencing a problem that I know a lot of you OS/2 sysops have
been going through.  I have a dedicated computer doing all my satellite stuff,
and that is all it does.  Getting the mail is NO problem -- the problem is
transfering it to my OS/2 machine.  I have a parrellel transfer cable hooked up
right now via LPT2 (sat. computer) to LPT1 on OS/2 machine.  I have to go
through the process of rebooting my OS/2 machine to DOS via diskette (no dual
boot), and I use Interlnk/Intersvr to transfer the data.  What I want is a way
to open a window on my OS/2 machine and copy the new mail over once the pass is
complete.  I need some type of network the will work DOS to OS/2, via parallel,
and will stand "open" while the mail is going.  I don't wanna have to transfer
it myself everyday!

I need to get this automated.  Basically have the OS/2 window open, and have
the DOS machine run in a batch that will load up the PTCCMAIN program at the
first feed, then exit out and copy all files to the OS/2 machine.  Then exit
back out to the batch file ( I use a "dummy" front door to handle an event that
exits out at mail times :) when done...  Any ideas???    Thanks for any
help!!!!!

Chris Bates


Chris

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From: GEORGE PEACE                           Number: 1045
  To: PATTY MORRIS                             Date: 05/25/94  9:08p
Subj: RE-ZIPPING                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >The world certainly doesn't revolve around Fidonet or it's
 >members,

And that's an important plus in its favour. I'm not even sure if
many folks would recognize FidoNet big-shots if they were nose-to-nose
with them. Or even care. I feel comfortable being a SysOp in a network
like this. One where 26,000 SysOps all have equal privilege to pound on
Boyd's head whenever they want.

 but speaking from a businessman/woman's point of view, it would
 >make sense to cater to the majority of one's customers rather than
 >alienating them by trying to appease a vocal minority.

It's not an enviable position to be in. I confess to being a little
confused as to what motive someone would have for transacting business
out here in the hot sun instead of under that nice shade tree over by
the stream.

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From: MAC BRYANT                             Number: 1046
  To: CRAIG FRENCH                             Date: 05/25/94 10:25p
Subj: PC & WM Areas.BBS                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

CF|->   I do Craig. Made it available for FREQ for you as AREAS.BBS. <g>
  |->   Includes all Fido conferences up until about three weeks ago. I
  |->   haven't checked on any new ones.

CF|   Thanks, I got it yesterday, makes life a little easier for me...

  Glad you got it, Craig. Good luck with all those conferences. <g>

  .\\ac

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From: JOE HAYES                              Number: 1047
  To: HENRY MOORE                              Date: 05/25/94  8:32a
Subj: Your program                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JH>I have been running Lancache with a delay of 3600 with NO problems.
JH>Only writes to disk ONCE! (when the file has been totaly recieved).

HM> Good idea...I'll give it a shot. Thanks


The only problem I have with this type of setup is when you edit a file, be
sure to flush the cache or it will wait to write it to disk.

-Joe
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From: BRAD SETTLES                           Number: 1048
  To: BOB MCCOY                                Date: 05/23/94 10:18a
Subj: Same as last week                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

** Quoting Bob McCoy to Boyd Goodin dated 21 May 94  14:22:00 **
B> Hello Boyd!
B>
B> The same pattern of garbage ASCII characters (the same character) was
B> appearing in the status display at the bottom of the screen this morning as
B> occurred last
B> Saturday (5/14/94). No data was being accepted; all blocks were shown as bad
B> in
B> the previous file display. The block numbers looked valid, but until I
B> restarted PTCCMAIN, I was receiving absolutely nothing. I =think= the
B> character was 0Fh, the "SI" ASCI code, but I could be wrong.
B>
B> I'm using PTCCMAIN.EXE dated 2/16/94 and receiving on a 3' Ku band receiver.
B> The reason I'm mentioning this is that there might be a pattern to this, as
B> it also occurred last Saturday (as was reported to you by several sites in
B> this echo).
B>
B> It appears that this began today after all the backbone was sent but before
B> the filebone started (Friday cycle) for the last time (this cycle began
B> around 6 a.m. EDT this morning). I have a computer online to the dish 24
B> hours per day and move data from that compuer across a LAN to another node
B> for processing. I use both errorlevel 100 and 101 exits from each cycle, set
B> a semaphore file, and immediately re-start PTCCMAIN. The activity is pretty
B> well logged on my tossing node, so I'm fairly certain about the time this
B> final cycle for Friday began.
B>
B> I hope this info will be helpful in assisting you in determining what is
B> happening.
B>
B> Bob
B>
B> --- GEcho 1.01+
B>  * Origin: Alpine Wildcat! BBS, Alpine, CA * 1.619.445.6028 (1:202/1919)
B> We had the same thing on the same date here.  I thought maybe my computer
glitched but now It looks like your sending something out that is causing
problems in our recievers.
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From: EDDIE MONEY                            Number: 1049
  To: VIC PARRISH                              Date: 05/25/94  2:39p
Subj: Setup                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Vic!

Tuesday May 24 1994 22:23, Vic Parrish wrote to Boyd Goodin:

 VP> Still continuing to have problems getting mail back to you and onto the
 VP> various echos.  Took your advice regarding the setup of my mail tosser and
 VP> mailer.  Anyone out here using EzyCom and Intermail setup that can help?


Vic, are you have problems getting the mail back to Boyd and then to get them
back as dupes?

I have about that same problem, and have called Boyd and asked him what he
thought the problem was, he said it was the seenbys, heck its not the seenbys.
If it was it would do it everyday, it does it about once a week. I send in a
mail bundle and thats as far as it goes. never get the messages back as dupes,
also does not show in the stat echo file.
  I have called a couple of time since and send netmail a couple of times, not
a reply one since the first time I talked to him about it.
Hope you better luck that I have had.

Eddie

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From: JOHN COWLES                            Number: 1050
  To: PAUL GOULET                              Date: 05/25/94  8:07p
Subj: DESQVIEW & Planet Connect               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Paul!

21 May 94 22:33, Paul Goulet wrote to ALL:

 @PG> Hello ALL!

 PG> Is their anyone that is operating a BBS system with Desqview (one
 PG> 1 comm port) and is also the Satellite downlink for Planet
 PG> Connect (on another comm port)?
I have been running PC and a mail only node on a 386DX40 with 4 meg ram and
DesQview 2.42. The setup was rather simple. My settings are as follows:

}Setup Desqview>Performance: Processing time in Clock tics Foreground 2
Background 2....Memory usage>> common 20  dos buffer 8 No to remaining 3
fields.
 PG> Would like some feed back as far as the result of the combination
 PG> and what setup you did.
The above setup has been working here without problems for the last 2 months. I
am running Intermail, Gecho, Allfix, under window 2 and Planet Connect under
window 1.
 PG> Comments?
Try it. It does work very well. If anyone else has any better settings please
post them for all of us.

Thanks
      John C.

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From: ELVIS HARGROVE                         Number: 1051
  To: GLEN DAVIS                               Date: 05/25/94  2:05a
Subj: Signal Degradation                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

*@ORIGIN :BOO!  Board Of Occult  McAllen Tx.                          N
-> Is increased temperature the likely culprit?  Anything I can do to increase
-> signal strength other than shortening the cable?

Ya got water in yer feedline.  Unless you used direct burial RG-6 it's not,
repeat NOT 100% waterproof.  (You'll KNOW if you have RG-6 UG becasue it's got
the nastiest stickiest pooky-pooky inside you've ever seen.)  Go see yer local
TV Cable operation.  They'll probably GIVE you some. (I've given away a mile of
it in my life.)

Better yet, get 'em to give you a scrap of UG jacketed aluminum, 1/2 inch or
.412 for the underground run.  Same nasty pooky-pooky but the connectors used
will keep it from dripping out on yer rug.  Y'can bury THAT and forget it!

Lightning won't strike it either! <Grin>

^..^
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From: ELVIS HARGROVE                         Number: 1052
  To: FOXY FERGUSON                            Date: 05/25/94  2:10a
Subj: Showing Your Ignorance                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

*@ORIGIN :BOO!  Board Of Occult  McAllen Tx.                          N
-> BA>and then deleting it?  The donegal doesn't prevent the files from
-> arriving

Tee hee!  Foxy, if I can learn to type "because" surely Bonnie can learn to
type DONGLE.

<Grin>


^..^
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From: JIM WATSON                             Number: 1053
  To: JOHN HRUSOVSZKY                          Date: 05/24/94 11:27a
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

John Hrusovszky wrote in a message to Boyd Goodin:

>> I shouldn't quote the "boys in here?"  I thought most of the folks
>> in here were men and women, Boyd.
 BG>
 BG>   Oh gals, I am so sorry!

JH> Careful, Boyd ... it appears Planet Connect has just entered
JH> the liberal realm of Political Correctness :->

Not as long as people like us keeping entering messages into the stream.  Never
had -anybody- call -me- "politically correct" <snicker>

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From: JIM WATSON                             Number: 1054
  To: JIM DUNMYER                              Date: 05/24/94 11:28a
Subj: SHOWING YOUR IGNORANCE                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Jim Dunmyer wrote in a message to Bonnie Anthony:

 > I see.  So you don't do anything then, the software does it by
 > delievering it and then deleting it?  The donegal doesn't prevent
 > the files from arriving on the hard disk, so they can simply be
 > undeleted if somone wants to do that?

JD> Bonnie,
JD>  The PC software writes the blocks for an incoming file to
JD> disk, then RENAMES it when it's been received successfully.
JD> If the config file says to send it to NUL/, then no REName
JD> takes place, nor does it happen if an error is detected.

It had better send to it's own NUL, 'cuz the OpSys's can be remapped -:)


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From: SEBASTIAN ACOSTA                       Number: 1055
  To: BONNIE ANTHONY                           Date: 05/26/94  3:32p
Subj: Quotes                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


On 25 May 94 07:58am, Bonnie Anthony wrote to Sid Balcom:

 BA> SB        It would be nice if your software would do quotes
 BA> properly so SBthat we can follow the conversations better.

 BA> I'll keep that in mind, although you are the first person who ever
 BA> complained about my "quotes" being improperly done.

Your quotes do look terrible!  It is very hard to tell which is a
quote and which is your message.

Take care...

Sebastian

... Blame Murphy when you dig at the wrong end of a rainbow.
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From: BILL STARR                             Number: 1056
  To: HENRY MOORE                              Date: 05/25/94 10:59a
Subj: 2nd Day of Trash                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> BS>Well, here it is Sunday 22 May and another day of no files. I rece
-> BS>on the first pass today, 4 of 20 packets.
-> BS>This is getting to be a waste of my money. Any others out there ge
-> BS>the same, or is it just me?
-> BS>I don't believe it is in my equipment as the 1st error starts almo
-> BS>any block from 1 - 20 and then continues to climb.
->
->  There's various things that could cause these type of errors. Here's
->  few things to try.
->  1) Start dumping sections of your config.sys file to see if you've g
->     a hardware/software conflict. You may have a memory conflict or
->     some sort.
->  2) Double check your interrupt settings for all your installed
->     hardware.
->
->  I've had a simular problem caused by a faulty Com2 cable without the
->  com port in use and the satellite receiver on com1.
->
->  If you're getting a good strong signal on the receiver then the prob
->  should be within your PC or setup. Good luck.
->
->  What sort of system are you running on?
->
I am running on a 486/66 with a 2 gig hard drive and 16 megs of RAM and
a 32 bit bus.

Seems as though the problem cleared up the next day. Didn't find out
what it was but am keeping an eye on it.

Bill Starr

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From: BRAD SETTLES                           Number: 1057
  To: JIM DUNMYER                              Date: 05/24/94 10:24a
Subj: KU BAND DATA RECEIVER DEFICIENCIES      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

** Quoting Jim Dunmyer to Brad Settles dated 22 May 94  09:23:28 **
J>
J>  > Sounds to Me like you have a defective reciever.  Ours bounces back
J>  > after afew seconds when the signal is restored.
J>
J> Brad,
J>  Was it absolutely necessary for you to quote 3 screens, including tear and
J> origin lines to add the above 2 lines?
J>
J> Sorry to pick on you personally, but over-quoting is a pet peeve of mine; it
J> adds to everyone's expenses, and detracts from the readability of your own
J> message. My rule of thumb is to quote no more than 3 or 4 lines of a
J> message, and VERY seldom intersperse quotes and original material. That's
J> where someone quotes 3 lines, adds some, quotes 3 or 4 more lines, adds his
J> own material, etc, ad infinitum. That too makes a message hard to read and
J> is generally unnecessary.
J>
J> Am I being too sensitive, or do others feel this way, too?
J>
J> --- FLAME v1.0/b
J>  * Origin: Toledo's TBBS, 14+ gigs, 150,000 files 313-854-6001 (1:234/2)
J> Sorry about the quotes but Fido is fairly new feature on Falken.
Unfortunatly
when weuse the quote the program grabs the entire message.  Im sure Eventually
the programmer will add more features.  I work with the programmer that made
the Fido door for Falken & His main goal was to get a very basic but workable
Fido door.  Actually he recently came out with a offline QWK door that would
allow me to do anything I wanted with the messages.  I simply havent gotten
around to putting that on my board.  Plus Ive kinda gotten use to reading my
mail online.  Anyway thanks for the comment & I know what your saying.
Hopefully in the near future I will be able to remidy that.
--BSettles--
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From: BSETTLES                               Number: 1058
  To: GLEN DAVIS                               Date: 05/25/94 10:49a
Subj: Signal Degradation                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

** Quoting Glen Davis to All dated 23 May 94  22:06:26 **
G> Hello All!
G>
G> I'm running 3' KU, 125' RG-6 coax from dish to receiver.  There is one M-M
G> coax connector with ground 25' from receiver side.  I installed in December,
G> buried the cable (lucky weather), peaked the meter around 9 with a test
G> cable at the site and hooked up to run.  Meter settled right around 7-8 for
G> the winter.  No dropout even with heavy clouds or snow-filled dish.
G>
G> When the weather started warming last month, I noticed the meter had fallen
G> to 5 and was often dropping out when heavy clouds passed over (my wife says
G> "the computer is SCREAMING again") so I went out to realign but found the
G> test cable caused a reading just as high as before and adjusting did not
G> increase signal strength.  However, the signal is never above 5 now and a
G> rainstorm can cause several minutes of complete data loss.  I now see
G> several trashed packets daily due to error but this was extremely rare
G> during the winter.  On the bright side, I have not experienced any of the
G> "scillation" after dropout I've read about here.
G>
G> Is increased temperature the likely culprit?  Anything I can do to increase
G> signal strength other than shortening the cable?
G>
G> Thanx!
G>
G>      -Glen
G>
G> --- FleetStreet 0.85wb
G>  * Origin: |=[Bloom Co. Hospital>=--- |[GRapids, MI] [phone]
G> (1:228/500)
G>
Sounds like water has gotten into you burried cable.  Try running a new piece
above ground.  If the signal is better then you know for sure.
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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 1059
  To: BONNIE ANTHONY                           Date: 05/25/94  6:22a
Subj: Showing your ignorance                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 Bonnie  Anthony   wrote   in  a   message   to   Randy   Edwards:

 May I but in?   BTW it's  been a  long  time... I  hear  the  New
 Orleans feed for  Rime  is  still  holding  up.   I'm  living  in
 Alabama  now.    Perhaps I   can   make  a   couple   comments...

BA> I see.  So you don't do anything  then,  the  software  does  it
BA> by delievering it and then deleting it?    The  donegal  doesn't
BA> prevent the files from  arriving  on  the  hard  disk,  so  they
BA> can simply be undeleted if somone wants to do that?

 In theory... but all incoming data  is  temporarily  stored  in a
 file in the root directory  under  the  name  !!!ST!!!.!!!    and
 when the end of the file marker is received  that  temp  file  is
 rewritten in its proper directory using a process that  does  not
 physically move the data...   since  the  data  isn't  physically
 moved the process is nearly instant... however  in  the  case  of
 the Rime packets/mail the temp file is  NEVER  rewritten  in  the
 proper directory...    what this means is that it is  practically
 impossible to undelete the  Rime  data/packet  because  the  next
 incoming packet will be  overwriting  the  previous  one  quicker
 than you could type "copy ..."  or "rename  .."   in  theory  you
 could sit and watch the delivery of the incoming Rime packet  and
 when it reached the end you could quickly  terminate  the  Planet
 Connect software if  you  were  lucky  enough  to  terminate  the
 program at exactly the right moment it had all been received  and
 nothing new had started overwriting it then you would  have  time
 to copy the temp !!!ST!!!.!!! file (or rename it)  to  "Rime.zip"
 and then uncompress it.... but even if you had  the  patience  to
 do this you would miss the next packet... which is probably  more
 Rime stuff.  In reality no one is going to manually  go  to  such
 trouble.

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 1060
  To: RAY SNOW                                 Date: 05/25/94  6:48a
Subj: Showing your ignorance                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 Ray   Snow   wrote   in  a    message    to    Bonnie    Anthony:

RS> inevitable thoughts: 1. Why does  the  software  write  to  disk
RS> constantly, regardless  of        flagging,  user-paid  security
RS> levels, etc? When things could be     simply  read  by  the  pgm
RS> and not  written  at  all  upfront  if  the        user  is  not
RS> "authorized" to receive?
RS> 2. Ultimate security of  the  approach.  It  seems  to  me  that
RS> such an approach  could  be  easily  tricked  and  circumvented.

 As long as you keep the data on the same drive it  can  be  saved
 under a different file name in ANY directory  without  physically
 moving the data like "copy"  does.   The  process  is  just  like
 rename except it works across directories.   Since  the  incoming
 date has very short breaks between incoming files  to  allow  for
 such a quick file saving method it  is  extremely  difficult  for
 any external program to manipulate the data.  This is the  reason
 all files/packets etc MUST be kept on the  same  drive  with  the
 working file.  I wish there was a way  to  use a  ram  drive  for
 the incoming data temp file but since it  would  eventually  have
 to be physically moved to the hard drive it would  require a  LOT
 of memory.  I tried it on a 10 meg  ram  drive  and  that  wasn't
 enough.  If the  software  would  exit  more  often  and  allow a
 little longer break before the next data were sent  it  would  be
 possible to clear off the ram drive and physically move the files
 to  the  hard  drive...       Got   any   extra   memory   <Grin>


 Anyway... it is not easy  to  trick  or  circumvent  the  process
 currently in use.


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From: SCOTT MCNAY                            Number: 1061
  To: MICKEY FERGUSON                          Date: 05/24/94  8:18p
Subj: Showing Your Ignorance                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Mickey!

FF>BA>I see.  So you don't do anything then, the software does it by
FF>delievering i
FF>BA>and then deleting it?  The donegal doesn't prevent the files from
FF>arriving o
FF>BA>the hard disk, so they can simply be undeleted if somone wants to do
FF>that?

FF>In just n/100 ths of a second?  Not Hardly!

MF> Tsk! Tsk! Be kind, Darling.  The lady is ignorant of the
MF> technology. Perhaps when she learns how things work she will
MF> not be _so_ critical.  Then again, stupidity _is_ forever.

When a file is deleted, and a new file is immediately created in the same
directory, DOS will use the first available directory entry, thus the file that
just got deleted will likely get it's entry overwritten.  However, the space on
disk that the file was in doesn't get overwritten for quite a while, since DOS
keeps a pointer to the position that a cluster was last allocated from, and
starts searching at that point to find another one to allocate.  So, it's
possible, although very difficult, to undelete a file like that, if not too
much time passes.

If one uses a delete tracker, that changes everything.  The delete tracker
makes DOS think that the file has been deleted, but it actually keeps track of
all of the necessary info, so that it can be undeleted later with no guesswork
needed.  The file is not actually needed unless the space taken by that file is
needed.  So, Bonnie isn't completely wrong.

The way to prevent this would be to overwrite part of the file.  If all of the
files are compressed with PKZIP, overwriting the first and last clusters of the
disk will be adequate for most purposes, since the undeleted file would then
have to be run through PKZIPFIX, and if there are more than one file inside the
archive, the first file and possibly the last file would be lost and/or
corrupted.  If one wants to be completely certain, overwrite the entire file.

The best solution, of course, would be to not write it to disk at all, since
one could always write a TSR that would copy the file before it is
deleted/overwritten.


--Scott.

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From: GEORGE VANDERVORT                      Number: 1062
  To: GEORGE PEACE                             Date: 05/26/94  6:46p
Subj: Patty who?                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


Wednesday May 25 1994 21:08, George Peace wrote to Patty Morris:

 GP>
 >> The world certainly doesn't revolve around Fidonet or it's
 >> members,
 GP>
 GP> And that's an important plus in its favour. I'm not even sure if
 GP> many folks would recognize FidoNet big-shots if they were nose-to-nose
 GP> with them. Or even care. I feel comfortable being a SysOp in a network
 GP> like this. One where 26,000 SysOps all have equal privilege to pound on
 GP> Boyd's head whenever they want.

Hello George!

Don't pay too much attention to what Patty says these days..
she is afflicted with "Wedding Bless"  <grin>

Regards,
George Vandervort
 ++ QuickBBS 2.80 Ovr (Gamma-4)/Binkley 2.59wb
    InterNet: [e-mail]

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From: JIM DUNMYER                            Number: 1063
  To: JIM OUELLETTE                            Date: 05/25/94  5:13p
Subj: INTERNATIONAL GENEALO                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > Sometimes,the 'material' offered by the other zones/nets is not
 > appreciated in "FIDO"<g>....as well as not allowed......shoot,my

So what? Those echos don't have to be distributed by other than private means
if that's the case. Example:

I carry Terry Rune's "exotic bird" echos here. It's beyond me why she never
tried for backbone status (there IS enough traffic), but she has elected to
stay private for some reason. I do feed a couple of others, but those folks
were sent to me by Terry. Guess what? We're all in Zone 1, no "othernets"
required at all. Example Two:

Pete White hosts several TBBS-specific echos. He has stated in no uncertain
terms that they are to never touch the normal Fido echomail distribution
system. However, we're still all in FidoNet, no "othernet" overhead.

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From: GLEN DAVIS                             Number: 1064
  To: BILL CLARK                               Date: 05/25/94 10:11p
Subj: Signal Degradation                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Bill!

It has been rumored that on 24.05.94, Bill Clark was overheard
saying the following to Glen Davis:

 BC> Did you seal all connectors with coax sealant, both at the LNB and at
 BC> your M-M connector with ground?  Any moisture at all in one of those
 BC> fittings will kill signal level at 900+ megahertz.  Per the warranty
 BC> on the LNB I received from Planet Connect, failure to apply coax
 BC> sealant to the connector at the LNB voids its warranty.

Let's just say I...uh...didn't (THEORETICALLY, mind you).  What would I do to
rectify the situation...if those connections really WERE, in fact, unsealed.

Thanx!

     -Glen

--- FleetStreet 0.85wb
 * Origin: |=[Bloom Co. Hospital>=--- |[GRapids, MI] [phone] (1:228/500)
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From: MARK ADKINS                            Number: 1065
  To: SID BALCOM                               Date: 05/26/94  4:24a
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Maybe it'll work. I prefer to see some set cycles. I depend on the
-> end of set cycles to have the computer automagically start my
-> tossing. If files are going to be replaced on the fly, I think I
-> would have a problem knowing when I could toss and not lose anything.

You should not have any problems at all no matter what the uplink adds to the
agenda, you're still going to receive the drop out 700 codes which are also in
the agenda setup by the uplink site. If for some reason the uplink site decided
to add 2 extra sends of the tvdemo.zip program right after the last
PCUsenet.xxx file they are still going to send the 700 code after the last file
that marks the end of the full cycle.

Are you using these 700 codes to drop out and process your inbound or are you
using another method?

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From: MURRAY PLETSCH                         Number: 1066
  To: GUY VANDELL                              Date: 05/24/94  3:27p
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > MP> the centre of the photo....?  I wonder if it has anything to
 > MP> do with the population numbers....? :-)

 > i don't know about you, but if this analogy holds, then usenet
 > should be first with 12 million users and 2+ million nodes.
 > heck some conferences have more readers than fidonet as a whole.

Hmmm.....well, that is a good point Guy....but there is no doubt in my mind
that there are not many downlinks here on Planet Connect who have the
capability to handle the Usenet conferences due to the very large number of
messages.  eg.....out of the 200+ downlinks, how many can handle/do handle the
Usenet stuff...!   Good trivia question eh...? :-)

Regards....Murray

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From: MURRAY PLETSCH                         Number: 1067
  To: BOB WATSON                               Date: 05/25/94  7:25p
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > MP>bundles before the Fido folks who have been plugging away here
 > MP>since last September...?

 > Like I said, I could care less who gets what first. All I care
 > about is that the stuff gets here in one piece and that all of
 > it arrives. It appears that you have a thing for who is first,
 > second and so on. That train of thinking has nothing to do with
 > this.

This is my last post on the subject.  I understood initially from the
conversation between Bonnie and Boyd that she wanted Realtime service without
any delay..........!  My initial post may have been a little sharp....but, it
was a knee jerk reaction to the suggestion that RIME customers would insist on
and receive some kind of service which would cause a degradation of the current
schedule of Fido mail and files.

There is no intention on my part to establish a "we" and "they"
scenerio......just an effort to protect our current schedule here which
reverberates throughout a very large number of the 26,000 Fido Nodes.

I have no dislike for anyone in any Net and in fact I have been looking quite
seriously at some of the QWK, Ilink and Rime net info packages.  It is quite
amazing that we have 3 totally different modes of handling messages.

In summary...I look forward to the association between all the folks in the
different nets and certainly hope our hobby is enhanced by the experience.

Regards....Murray

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From: DAVE SKINNER                           Number: 1068
  To: BONNIE ANTHONY                           Date: 05/26/94  2:11p
Subj: Re-zipping     <conto                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 BA> I'll keep that in mind, although you are the first
 BA> person who ever complained about my "quotes" being
 BA> improperly done.

They are all run together on my system also.  Might be a problem with your
software inserting the *wrong* type of line termination on the quoted lines.
Might be a problem with the gate at Marks system, who knows???  However, I dont
see this problem from any other system posting (including the other rime
systems).   Sid is right that it makes them hard to read.

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From: ELVIS HARGROVE                         Number: 1069
  To: BOB WATSON                               Date: 05/26/94  4:01a
Subj: Lightning arrestor                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Quoting Bob Watson to Amnon Nissan <=-

 AN>  So will one of them T's that the cable guys put outside the house,
 AN>where you  have a ground screwd onto it will work ???

 BW> If you are able to use the same type of thing with a satellite as you
 BW> do with regular cable, then yes. Since I'm not a satellite expert,

     After over thirty years in the TV Cable/Satellite business, let
     me say this....

     Quite frankly the cable grounds used on house-drops are pretty
     useless since the WHOLE cable system is grounded seven ways from
     Sunday.  (First, last and every tenth pole, as per code.)

     Mostly, they're a function of the local city idiocy which thinks
     everything coming down from a pole is "hot" and therefore
     dangerous.  City franchises usually specify such things.
     Actually, they protect the Cable System from what might come OUT
     of the house. <Grin>  (The most destructive lightning strikes
     come IN on the power line, blast the TV set and go to ground via
     the Cable Syatem.)  Guess who gets the blame?

     The TV Cable ground block CAN be very effective if properly
     installed on a PC LNB feedline, but be SURE you GROUND it GOOD!
     Also, be sure it's protected from rain, water drips, etc since
     the connectors used are NOT waterproof and moisture gets between
     the shield and the jacket and destroys the shield integrity. (AND
     sops up the signal)  Tape is generally counterproductive. Use
     Silicon grease instead and you'll have a dry connection.

     Use the suggested 6-8" loop, (Five or six turns)  JUST in front
     of the ground block for most protection.  Put a GOOD ground on it
     or just don't bother. Run the ground wire STRAIGHT to whatever
     you ground to. (Sharp bends in the ground wire just make a hard
     strike jump right off, continuing on its destructive way.)
     Power company ground rods are probably the best, or a cold water
     pipe or a telephone co. ground.  (They may take exception but
     it's on YOUR property.)

     To be absolutely honest about it, the chance of a strike ON your
     dish setup is pretty slim.  There's too many OTHER things around
     that lightning likes better.  BUT a good static drain from your
     LNB to ground is ALWAYS a good idea and it's cheap.  If lightning
     strikes nearby, this will be a factor in how much damage you
     sustain, but it's stupid to think you can CONTROL lightning.
     Like the 200 pound canary, it does as it damn well pleases.

     ^..^


... Take my advice, I don't use it anyway.
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12

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From: ELVIS HARGROVE                         Number: 1070
  To: BONNIE ANTHONY                           Date: 05/26/94  4:44p
Subj: Re-zipping     <conto                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

*@ORIGIN :BOO!  Board Of Occult  McAllen Tx.                          N
-> I'll keep that in mind, although you are the first person who ever
-> complained about my "quotes" being improperly done.

Make that TWO!

^..^
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From: ELVIS HARGROVE                         Number: 1071
  To: JOHN HRUSOVSZKY                          Date: 05/26/94  4:49p
Subj: Lightning Arrestor                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

*@ORIGIN :BOO!  Board Of Occult  McAllen Tx.                          N
-> and if the LNB shorts, 99.9% of the time it will also blow 2 internal fuses
-> in the receiver _AND_ blow apart the 18v regulator.

Well since the 18v regulator in the (C-Band at least) PC receiver is not heat
sinked, and runs pretty hot anyway, I'd not expect it to survive.  In my
admittedly curosory inspection of the innards (we had water in OUR feedline) I
didn't SEE any fuses.  But if you test the temp of the regulator with your
finger, WET it first. <Grin>

^..^
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From: BRIAN HART                             Number: 1072
  To: DON WAYBRIGHT                            Date: 05/27/94  1:19a
Subj: DESQVIEW & Planet Connect               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 BH> I have the other machine running now, a 486 lan under DV

 DW> I ran DV for 2 yrs with no problems (version 2.42)... A
 DW> couple monthes ago I put a LAN up and got DV v2.62 and
 DW> have not had any luck...  I have a different machine,
 DW> on the LAN for PC... Mind sharing your success with me?
 DW> Thanks for any and all help... I think the problem lie in my DV setup...
 DW> Oh... the two machine LAN is in a peer-to-peer configuration....

 Hello Don, here is what the PC window setup for DV looks like:
                                            Memory size in K: 256
Program: C:\Planetc\Pcsky.bat
Parameters: C:\Dview\Dvansi.com
Dir: C:\Planetc\

Write text to screen: Y
Display graphics :    Y
Virtualize text:      Y
Use Comm Ports:       1
Require Floppy :      N

Advanced Setup:
 System mem : 0          Max mem K : 600
                         Max Ems/xms : Blank
Text:2                   Graph:2
Close on exit:       N     Use Colors:        Y
Allow close window:  Y     Run in background: Blank
Use Math CO:         Y     Keyboard conf.:    0
Share CPU:           Y     Share EGA:         Y
Can Be swapped:    Blank   Protection:        0

If I recall correctly, set the "optimize communications" to NO in the dv setup.
You should also have a 16550 uart on the comm port you are using, and have the
"SKYFIFO=True statement set in the PTCCMAIN.INI file.

This setup works on my system. BTW I use a 1 meg PCcache on that drive w/
delayed write. Tried Hyperdisk, and it trashed the pkts during the disk writes!

Hope this helps,
Brian


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From: GARY CRAIN                             Number: 1073
  To: BONNIE ANTHONY                           Date: 05/26/94  8:19p
Subj: Re-zipping     <conto                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On May 25, 1994, at 07:58, Bonnie Anthony of 1:105/285 wrote:

  Hi Bonny,
   All below this line is a direct reproduction of a message from you.  Believe
me, you quotes are next to impossible to follow.
_ _ _ O / _ _ C_U_T_ H_E_R_E_ _ _ _
      O \
 SBthat if I can easily serve a large group at $40 per head, or
 if SBI am going to have to cater to a small group that is
 making SBdifficult demands at $40 per head, I'm going to go
 with the SBlarge group that's easy to serve.

 I wish you lots of luck in your business endeavors then.

 SB        It would be nice if your software would do quotes
 properly so SBthat we can follow the conversations better.

 I'll keep that in mind, although you are the first person who
 ever complained about my "quotes" being improperly done.
_ _ _ O / _ _ C_U_T_ H_E_R_E_ _ _ _
      O \
  BTW,  if you can really get Boyd to keep you files from writing to my hard
disk, I'll be eternally grateful.  They all exist there for an instant in the
temporary file that is written as the data comes off the satellite.  It's only
at the very last blocks that it is determined that they don't belong here and
are deleted.

Gary

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From: GARY CRAIN                             Number: 1074
  To: ELVIS HARGROVE                           Date: 05/26/94  8:27p
Subj: Showing Your Ignorance                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On May 25, 1994, at 02:10, Elvis Hargrove of 1:397/[e-mail] wrote:

 BA>and then deleting it?  The donegal doesn't prevent the files
 BA>from arriving

 EH> Tee hee!  Foxy, if I can learn to type "because" surely Bonnie
 EH> can learn to type DONGLE.

  You mean you didn't know that some of the "dongles" were imported from the
old country where they are made by the wee people?  Why else would they be
called "donegals"?  <GRIN>

Gary

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From: MARTIN BELCKE                          Number: 1075
  To: JOHN HRUSOVSZKY                          Date: 05/26/94 11:35p
Subj: Re: Re-zipping                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Example: one of the businesses I own sells equipment and supplies to
-> dairy cow farmers.  We have about 1200 accounts.  We also have about
-> accounts with dairy GOAT farmers.  Guess how many goat supplies I sto
-> as compared to COW supplies?

If you run out of inventory, is it an utter disaster?

--Martin--

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From: CARL NAVARRO                           Number: 1076
  To: BONNIE ANTHONY                           Date: 05/23/94 12:39p
Subj: YOUR WHINING                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Quoting Bonnie Anthony to Boyd Goodin <=-

 BA> BG   I understand that, but you must also understand that there were
 BA> BGnetworks on here way before Rime came on line. That is were my
 BA> BGalliance lies. Ask some of the fido guys/gals in here what

 BA> so you are saying that your alliance lies with a particular network
 BA> like FIDO? You mean you would damage some other network, that isn't
 BA> FIDO because you have an alliance with  FIDO?  You are saying that
 BA> Planet Connect is really set up for FIDO and that the other networks,
 BA> RIME, ILink, NaNet, Intelec, UNINET all are less important to you than
 BA> FIDO?  Really?  Can I quote you on this?

 I think the quote is pretty accurate.  As a PC subscriber I would be hard
 pressed to continue my subscription if FIDONET were dropped.

 BA> The difference in time between those 40megs and 60 megs is how long?
 BA> You could not make an approximation within a period of time and be
 BA> fairly accurate?
 BA> BG    These are the weather files which are produced at the uplink and
 BA> BGcopied over the network to the outbound at certain times of the
 BA> BGday. Since these files are always the same name and extention BGit is
 BA> quite simple to do. When you have a file that has BGdifferent names
 BA> everyday then that is quite harder to do, as BGthen you do not have
 BA> anything constant to work on.
 BA> seems to me that if one can move a file called abcdef.zip one can move
 BA> a file called abc*.zip no?  Your program that moves files would
 BA> recognize a wildcard * no?  Maybe I am not a programmer and so don't
 BA> understand the difference between moving a file called abcdef.zip and
 BA> abc*.zip.  Must be very complicated.
 BA> BG   Because there is no constant in the amount of data we send each
 BA> day.
 BA> because?

 Some days is diamonds some days is dust :-).  Maybe the network is slow on
 Tuesdays and Wednesdays but heavy on Mondays and Thursdays.  Geez, do you
 see the same amount of patients everyday, or get the same amount of phone
 calls everyday?

 BA> BG   Like it was nothing special to added the encryption for the rime
 BA> BGfiles right? Also there are a couple of good utilities that were
 BA> BGwritten by a few of our users that handle the file dupes.

 BA> Adding the encryption, bringing you RIME and ILink sysops were not
 BA> important to your business?  Since they are not FIDO, and you have no
 BA> "alliance" with them, the task of writing some encryption was very
 BA> difficult and not worthwhile to you financially and otherwise? Really?

Just how many members do you have?  Fidonet?  You seem to be generating
an awful lot of mail vs. the amount of members.


                     (much drivel deleted)

 BA> and you are not talking to someone who just does things willy-nilly.
 BA> The files are not in anonymous locations as perhaps you imagined, they
 BA> are not available to anyone who does not have the clearance from me
 BA> personally and who is not allowed to receive or download the files.

Translation:  Pay the membership fee?  If your happy network was sent like
all the rest of the files, I could just simply send them to \NUL/ and be
done with it.  Where it is positioned is of no concern to me.  If they
sent it at Midnight every day it wouldn't matter.  Is that what you want?
As a FIDONET subscriber I resent the fact that the RIME files are sent
immediately after my FIDO run, because if I miss a file I have to wait
for your stuff to come down.

I'm not really ragging on you Bonnie, but you occupy an extremely small
portion of the spectrum here and you're making an awful lot of noise.
At the price of hardware today, tell your users to buy a second machine
and capture PC data continuously, if they can't deal with a floating
schedule.  Or, as an alternative, go back to the phone lines if your
users are really inconvenienced by this PC thing.  For $30 a month
they can make a lot of LD phone calls.

The other thing you might look into is cooperation with other nets.
ILINK encrypts their files at the transmitting end.  I can capture
the files (or dump them into the bit bucket), but I can't read them.
Theoretically the weather and TV listings are the same.  If someone
breaks your code what have you lost?  If anyone has broken the code
for the D-O-N-G-L-E they are a)good b)extremely quiet about it c)not
making very much money for it.  I get to read all my users private
mail and all netmail that passes through my system.  I also get to
monitor phone conversations in my job.  Hate to sound jaded, but it's
not a big deal anymore, I just do spot checks to make sure things are
working and go on to my own projects.  My point.  Breaking your
encryption might be good mental excercise for a twelve-year old, but for
what purpose?  I personally don't have the time or desire to do it and
I doubt that I'm alone.

Another thing you might consider is file naming conventions.  Your
network prevents anyone else from using the whole spectrum of numbers
beginning with 0401-0412.  If you named your files RIMENET.Zxx it would
be a simple matter to toss those files in the bit bucket for those of us
who aren't interested and not too bad for your users, since you have 36
squared combinations in the two characters.  You might even get Boyd to
give you more upload time since he can automatically process static names.

My last point is this:

We have this wonderful system of distribution that costs one price whether
we take one file or every single file that's sent.  With a different
attitude, your network could double or triple in a year.  I've seen FIDONET
messages double in the last six months.  At 19.2 there is only so much
data that can be sent down the line.  On top of that, the USENET is already
6 times or so larger than FIDONET which is probably 7 times larger that
RIME.  There may be a day when the messages are transmitted once.  USENET
is already cut on heavy days.  If I were giving advice, I would suggest you
concentrate on marketing your network and doing everything I can to help
make my network carrier happy, rather than wasting time debating in a public
echo about who gets the best treatment.  The carrier does NOT HAVE AN
OBLIGATION to carry all networks.

If you detect a DON'T MAKE WAVES tone in this message then, perhaps, your
perception isn't as bad as I think.  Now I too must run.  I've already wasted
too much time on this reply.


Carl Navarro
ELmwood eXchange
voice 419-352-4477




... Don't take life too seriously. . . it's not permanent.
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12

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From: SHEILA LENNON                          Number: 1077
  To: BONNIE ANTHONY                           Date: 05/22/94  5:16p
Subj: Not the phone company                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Bonnie Anthony (1:105/285) on Fri, May 20, wrote to Boyd Goodin:

 BA>The bottom line:

 BA>So what we have here is that you have an "alliance" with the FIDO sysops
 BA>and that if one isn't "any of the boys" they can't understand "terms and
 BA>sayings" like "I toss it into the bit bucket."
 BA>Thank you for the clarification.  I am sure Joe will be most interested
 BA>in these ideas.

        This is an adventure. You're on the wrong bus if you don't like
roughing it, lady.

        We're all inventing on the fly here, making our systems do things in
new ways -- cooperative development, Fidonet-style. <smile>
        Shareware authors modify their utilities to help us deal with the new
demands, sysops whip up workarounds and share them. Everybody's just trying to
make it all work.
        Expecting a firm time for any file but the first is like expecting to
know when the 4th song begins on a CD or LP -- it depends on how long the songs
before it are.
        Many of us need several passes to be sure of getting all the files: It
can rain here or in Tennessee, a plane goes by or, as one sysop reported, doves
perch on his dish's feed horn and block data when they put their heads down.
        Flawless realtime is probably not achievable via satellite with this
volume at 19200 baud; if realtime is important, phone technology is way more
reliable.

        Boyd and his crew have been unfailingly gracious and patient in the
face of frustrated sysops, sometimes-flaky system components and the sheer
newness of getting broadcast data to so many different systems and operators.
He doesn't deserve the harsh words.

        This is a group whose currency is cooperation. Your bottom line's no
good here.


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From: ANDY ANDERSON                          Number: 1078
  To: BOBBY TROTMAN                            Date: 05/18/94  6:47p
Subj: Re: Lightning Arrestor                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Quoting Bobby Trotman to Nate Chase Lightning Arrestor <=-

 BT> Hello Nate!
 BT>
 BT> 01 May 94 13:06, Nate Chase wrote to All:

 NC>        In a Message to STEVE ADAIR
 NC>        on 04-28-94 (18:00) in Conference (458) PlanetConn
 NC>        regarding SAT COMPUTER SHOW

 NC>        JIM DUNMYER wrote...

 JD>> The coax cable can act as an antenna and pick up a pretty
 JD>> good voltage spike, even if the lightning hits only "close
 JD>> by". This spike can fry your receiver or LNB, or perhaps
 JD>> other connected equipment. They suggest that you install a
 JD>> lightning arrestor device in the coax; it can be bought from
 JD>> the Planet Connect folks or probably any local satellite
 JD>> dealer.
 BT>

 NC> Boyd (et all),
 NC>         Whats the price of your Arrestor and is it guarenteed?
 BT>
 BT>
 BT> What you can do is loop the coax about 5 times at each end, make loops
 BT> about 8 inches round. To over simplify what this does is to say
 BT> Lightning can not go in circles.
 BT>
 BT> Best wishes,
 BT> Bobby

 Forget it! Dont do it!!
 At best, your device is nothing more than an "choke" that is used as a
 kind of filter to prevent minute losses of voltage.
 What happens is the voltage and current drop, causing a change in the flux
 field around the coax where tou have it coiled, as this field collapses,
 the induced magnetic field (flux) creates a massive surge of current.
 This current has to go somewhere! Either your LNA or the receiver!!
 Be warned!
 Andy Anderson

... All I need is a Wave and a board to surf it on.
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12

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From: ANDY ANDERSON                          Number: 1079
  To: GLEN DAVIS                               Date: 05/24/94  8:01p
Subj: Re: Signal Degradation                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Quoting Glen Davis to All Signal Degradation <=-

 GD>
 GD> There is one
 GD> M-M coax connector with ground 25' from receiver side.  I installed in
 GD> December, buried  the cable (lucky weather), peaked the meter around 9
 GD> When the weather started warming last month, I noticed the meter had
 GD> fallen to  5 and was often dropping out when heavy clouds passed over
 GD> I have not experienced any of the "oscillation" after dropout
 GD> I've read  about here.
 GD> -Glen
 GD> -!- FleetStreet 0.85wb
 GD>  ! Origin: |=[Bloom Co. Hospital>=--- |[GRapids, MI] [phone]
 GD> (1:228/500)

   Glen
   The most likely problem is signal loss from water getting into the
   coax at the connectors. Check at the LNA, Ground Block and at your M-M
   connecters. I have used connectors from Raychem and found them to be
   the best. This comes from years of experience in the cable tv industry.
   To check it out, replace the section from the receiver to your M-M
   connector and check the signal. Any better?!! If not, replace the other
   section and check again! When your all done, weather proof ALL connections
   with spray enamel paint. Do not use Vaseline or any type of automotive
   grease.If you can get some silicone grease at Radio Shack, the better.
   Good Luck,
   Andy Anderson

___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12

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From: RANDY EDWARDS                          Number: 1080
  To: CHRIS BATES                              Date: 05/27/94 12:50p
Subj: Automation of Mail.                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > problem -- the problem is transfering it to my OS/2 machine.  I have a
 > parrellel transfer cable hooked up right now via LPT2 (sat. computer)
 > to LPT1 on OS/2 machine.  I have to go through the process of rebooting
 > my OS/2 machine to DOS via diskette (no dual boot), and I use
 > Interlnk/Intersvr to transfer the data.

   Ick, running DOS?  That defeats the purpose of running OS/2.  There's a
couple of ways you can solve your problem Chris.  If you've got deep pockets,
run out and buy two networking cards and a copy of IBM's LAN software for OS/2
-- you'll never regret it (until your charge card bill comes in, that is).

   But assuming you don't have deep pockets, as is the case with most of us,
then do you have an extra serial port on each of your machines?  If so, get
ahold of a null modem cable.  You should be able to find one at most any mail
order place that sells computer cables, or even Radio Shack maybe.  And of
course if you're handy with cabling you can simply make one up yourself.

   Using the null modem you can send the data between the two machines using
this.  This is what I'm currently doing until I get the PC software running
solidly under OS/2.  On my main BBS machine, I run a task in the background
that checks every 6 minutes to see if the other machine is trying to send
something to it (don't ask my why I picked six minutes, it just seemed that 5
was too short and 10 was too long:-).  This task takes up almost no CPU when
it's sleeping.  When the PC machine is ready to send something, I transfer it
across the null modem at 57.6k BPS.  Though it takes a few minutes, it's easy
to handle and requires me to do nothing.  Best of all, it's dirt cheap.  :-)

   Another option is to bide your time until OS/2 2.2 is released with the
much-rumored peer-to-peer networking.  Yet another is to keep bugging PC for
their OS/2-friendly version of the software so you can handle things all on one
machine.  Of course, I'd use the null modem until then though.

   If you'd like any of the Rexx files I've worked up to handle this process,
just send me some netmail and I'll crash 'em over to you.
.
Randy

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From: RANDY EDWARDS                          Number: 1081
  To: ELVIS HARGROVE                           Date: 05/27/94 12:48p
Subj: Signal Degradation                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Ya got water in yer feedline.  Unless you used direct burial RG-6 it's
 > not, repeat NOT 100% waterproof.

   This is something I've wondered about.  When it was time to buy my coax for
the dish the local Radio Shack guy was totally ignorant as to whether the cable
could be buried or not -- he told me something like, "Sure, you can bury it.
After all, being buried it'll be more protected than if it was above ground."
Sure made sense, but wasn't what I wanted to hear.

   Anyway, I wound up going with some coax marked RG-59/U.  I hoped the "/U"
meant that it could be buried (U)nderground.  Tell me, was my hunch right and
is this a half-way decent cable or should I look forward to digging it up soon?

Thanks in advance,
.
Randy

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From: MICKEY FERGUSON                        Number: 1082
  To: BRAD SETTLES                             Date: 05/27/94 11:58p
Subj: KU BAND DATA RECEIVER DEFICIENCIES      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

* In a message originally to Jim Dunmyer, Brad Settles said:

BS>Unfortunatly
BS>when weuse the quote the program grabs the entire message.

Strange, so does the one I use, but I _can_ then delete the unnecessary bits.
As I have done in this one. ;)

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From: PATTY MORRIS                           Number: 1083
  To: GEORGE PEACE                             Date: 05/27/94  5:04a
Subj: RE-ZIPPING                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

George Peace wrote in a message to Patty Morris:

GP> And that's an important plus in its favour. I'm not even
GP> sure if many folks would recognize FidoNet big-shots if they
GP> were nose-to-nose with them. Or even care. I feel
GP> comfortable being a SysOp in a network like this. One where
GP> 26,000 SysOps all have equal privilege to pound on Boyd's
GP> head whenever they want.

    Given the technology, no, it's entirely likely that no one would recognize
FidoNet big-shots, George, but you have to admit that if it's anonymity you
want/wanted then you're out of luck by now.  Too many of us have seen you and
can easily pick you out of a crowd.  I don't even know if it would help to
shave the beard and wear dark sunglasses at this point, George.  <g>

    Pound on Boyd?  Naw, I just want to 'rough him up' a bit from time to time.

GP> It's not an enviable position to be in. I confess to being a
GP> little confused as to what motive someone would have for
GP> transacting business out here in the hot sun instead of
GP> under that nice shade tree over by the stream.

    Not an enviable position at all, but if one has to work I'd say the PC
people's jobs were probably a bit more pleasant in some regards than some that
I've personally held.

    Got any room left under that shade tree or is Timberman hogging it all?


                      --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: PATTY MORRIS                           Number: 1084
  To: JIM WATSON                               Date: 05/27/94  5:12a
Subj: Re: Re-zipping                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Jim Watson wrote in a message to John Hrusovszky:

JW> Never had -anybody- call -me- "politically correct" <snicker>

    So what do they call you, Jim?  ];>

                      --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: RAY CAVA                               Number: 1085
  To: BONNIE ANTHONY                           Date: 05/27/94  7:34a
Subj: Re-zipping     <conto                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

BA> I'll keep that in mind, although you are the first person
BA> who ever complained about my "quotes" being improperly done.

Bonnie...

This is how your quoted sections of message are coming out on my end, as well
as on the end of many other people....

SB        In fact, if you posted messages like that in my echoes, I would
SBdeclare them inflammatory and would take appropriate action.

SBthat if I can easily serve a large group at $40 per head, or if SBI am going
to have to cater to a small group that is making SBdifficult demands at $40 per
head, I'm going to go with the SBlarge group that's easy to serve.

SB        It would be nice if your software would do quotes properly so SBthat
we can follow the conversations better.

Just thought you might like a glance. It _does_ look like a mess, especially on
sections of quoted message that are even longer than the middle one up there.
<G>

Ray

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From: ROY TIMBERMAN                          Number: 1086
  To: MARTIN BELCKE                            Date: 05/27/94  8:06a
Subj: RE: INTERNATIONAL GENEALO               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

MB>Not all individuals with mailers are in Fidonet, nor do they
MB>particularly care to be.  Also, if you do not have a Fidonet node
MB>number, you are not under Fidonet Policy 4.

Your example is meaningless to me.  I'm talking about echomail
that is generally available to the motoring public.  If you have
a state government that wants to do their thing... go ahead on!

I have just set up an echomail network for a friend's business
interests across the continent.  I set him up using Fido style
software and little else.  His own node numbers, etc.  Fidonet
will never know he even exists.  Period.

MB>They are not a part of Fidonet and have no desire to be a part of
MB>Fidonet, so why should they be forced to use Fidonet node
MB>numbers? Some goes for any other network.  They are not a part of
MB>Fidonet, have no desire to be a part of Fidonet and, therefor,
MB>have their own Zone.

As indicated... that would be appropriate.

It is, and continues to be, not appropriate for a generally
available echomail network to use ANOTHER zone.

I have found nothing in Policy 4 that was a problem for me to
operate under for some 4 years now.  Unless you're particularly
averse to "big brother" watching you (in a meaningless fashion as
far as I can tell), then you would never even know that there was
a Policy 4 in existance.

I stand on my original statements.  You want to bring weird or
out of the mainstream of hobbydom into it... you have no case.

Roy Timberman
1:280/1
NEC

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From: ROY TIMBERMAN                          Number: 1087
  To: SID BALCOM                               Date: 05/27/94  8:34a
Subj: RE: INTERNATIONAL GENEALO               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

SB>        1. People get fed up with all of the political BS that's inherent in
SB>Fidonet.

What has that got to do with running a separate network using
Fidonet node numbers?  I'll answer that for you... not a thing!

SB>        2. It's like comparing Fidonet to the Queen Mary and the XYZNet to
an
SB>MG Sports Car when trying to get anything done.

You can run a net completely indepent of FidoNet and still use
the Fidonet node numbers.  Sounds like you need some education in
the handling of echomail.

SB>        3. A lot of the nets are 'specialty' nets - like
SB>genealogy - so that everything that goes on in the net is of
SB>special interest. With Fidonet, you've gotta deal with miles and
SB>miles of stuff that you aren't interested in.

I assume that you are either new, having never participated in
FidoNet prior to say 1 May of this year or just don't like Fido.

Fact is that you could participate in networks unlimited and have
a Fido number to do it... never having a thing to do with Fido
except perhpas picking up your nodelist once in awhile from your
NC.  Our net has a required info echo but that is about it and no
one has ever enforced the "required echo" even.

SB>        Aaaahhhh, sounds like there is the REAL reason. Your
SB>software is difficult to configure.

His software should require no configuring just to carry some
"other net".  It is totally unncessary... except in your mind.

Roy Timberman
1:280/1
NEC

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From: LARRY LABRANCHE                        Number: 1088
  To: ROY TIMBERMAN                            Date: 05/27/94 11:49a
Subj: Re: International Genealo               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

RT> They could all have their own set of conferences, be fidonet
RT> compatible, and distribute using Fidonet's primary set of zone
RT> numbers... and not their own.  Then they would be fidonet
RT> compatible (which they are) and they would be using Fidonet
RT> primary zone numbers (which we all have) to distribute what they
RT> have chosen to muddle up with an ADDITIONAL UNNEEDED zone number.
well that is certanly you opinion, not fact. For lets consider is takes a LONG
time to get a node number or get any changes to your system info in fido net,
IE 6+ months to get such is a part of the reason sysops like different nets.
In all other nets I got my bbs hooked up to I got my node number the same day,
I realize fido net can't do that, but 6+ months is really TOO LONG.
-Larry +-)

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From: SID BALCOM                             Number: 1089
  To: MARK ADKINS                              Date: 05/27/94  8:15p
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message of <May 26 04:24>, Mark Adkins (1:105/285) writes:
-> Maybe it'll work. I prefer to see some set cycles. I depend on the
-> end of set cycles to have the computer automagically start my
-> tossing. If files are going to be replaced on the fly, I think I
-> would have a problem knowing when I could toss and not lose anything.

 MA>>You should not have any problems at all no matter what the uplink adds
 MA>>to the agenda, you're still going to receive the drop out 700 codes
        This is quite true.

 MA>>which are also in the agenda setup by the uplink site. If for some
 MA>>reason the uplink site decided to add 2 extra sends of the tvdemo.zip
 MA>>program right after the last PCUsenet.xxx file they are still going to
 MA>>send the 700 code after the last file that marks the end of the full
 MA>>cycle.
        Sure. I agree with that.
        However, if each of the tvdemo.zips that are being inserted are
different, and I needed something out of the first one that wasn't in the
second one, how would I get it?
        But, more importantly - and what was being proposed - is if I am
exiting to process mail after it is all received (and let's assume that I get
ALL of it on the first pass); and then the second cycle inserts an additional
mail bundle that I didn't get on the first one. I'm probably going to loose
that additional mail bundle.
        Or, continuing on in that theme, with a guaranteed three insertions -
2nd and 3rd pass on Mon and 1st pass Tue. I get the exit code after 1st pass on
Mon and drop out to toss mail. I miss 2nd and 3rd pass on Mon because I'm
tossing. 1st pass on Tue is corrupted. I've lost it.

 MA>>Are you using these 700 codes to drop out and process your inbound or
 MA>>are you using another method?
        I couldn't get the 701 to work. The 700 is working and I use that to
bail out. I would prefer to bail out before the PCUSENET stuff comes across.
And, probably for that matter, to bail out earlier than that.

++ Sid ++




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From: SID BALCOM                             Number: 1090
  To: MURRAY PLETSCH                           Date: 05/27/94 10:25p
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message of <May 24 15:27>, Murray Pletsch (1:351/[e-mail]) writes:
 MP>>Hmmm.....well, that is a good point Guy....but there is no doubt in my
 MP>>mind that there are not many downlinks here on Planet Connect who have
 MP>>the capability to handle the Usenet conferences due to the very large
 MP>>number of messages.  eg.....out of the 200+ downlinks, how many can
 MP>>handle/do handle the Usenet stuff...!   Good trivia question eh...? :-)

        VERY good &#$&^ question!

        My net has thus far rejected using the PC Usenet stuff, since there is
no return path. They prefer to stick with the already established path. I
offered to pass them intact to the present distribution point - no dice.
        OTOH, if they did decide that they wanted them, I would certainly have
to come up with some disk space to handle them.

        VERY good question. How many people are using them? Is anyone using
them?

++ Sid ++




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From: SID BALCOM                             Number: 1091
  To: DAVE SKINNER                             Date: 05/27/94 10:30p
Subj: Re-zipping     <conto                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message of <May 26 14:11>, Dave Skinner (1:105/711) writes:
 DS>>Might be a problem with the gate at Marks system, who knows???  However,
 DS>>I dont see this problem from any other system posting (including the
 DS>>other rime systems).   Sid is right that it makes them hard to read.

        I have two major hangups (amongst many - Hi, Bill Roper!).

        One is message writing software that quotes like Bonnie's does.
        The other is message writing software that truncates quoted lines. This
brain-dead software causes the quoted portion to have a completely different
meaning.

++ Sid ++




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From: MARK ADKINS                            Number: 1092
  To: DAVE SKINNER                             Date: 05/27/94  3:47p
Subj: Re-zipping     <conto                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Dave.
  Have you gotten a dish up yet or are you still grabbing from 105/50?

-> They are all run together on my system also.  Might be a problem with
-> your software inserting the *wrong* type of line termination on the
-> quoted lines.

The above quote was three lines with the words quoted lines. as the last two
words which make line three of the quoted. Do you see three lines all starting
with ->  or are the lines messed up? I remember a problem in the Cascade echo
when trying to send an ascii picture.

I may have to adjust a setting on one of the software programs on this end.

Let me know..

Thanks,
Mark

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From: JIM BRITAIN                            Number: 1093
  To: GLEN DAVIS                               Date: 05/25/94  7:14p
Subj: Signal degradation                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

>but found the test cable caused a reading just as
>high as before and adjusting did not increase signal strength.
>However, the signal is never above 5 now and a rainstorm can
>cause several minutes of complete data loss.

Sounds to me like a cable that has a water damage (or water creep into the
cable from one of the connectors).  A little "nick" in the poly would do it,
and poly cable insulation is not waterproof anyway.

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From: DAVE DENNETT                           Number: 1094
  To: GLEN DAVIS                               Date: 05/25/94 12:56p
Subj: Signal degradation                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

GD> Is increased temperature the likely culprit?  Anything I can do to
GD>increase signal strength other than shortening the cable?

Coax cable has a very high loss for frequencies around 1GHZ, especially those
that are cheaply made for TV systems.   You could replace your coax, or pile
drive the signal through it with an inline amplifier at the LNB which will
overcome the signal loss.

Also, you might replace the connectors on the coax, using gold connectors and a
professional crimper.   Any moisture at all tends to cause the cable to
oxidize.  If you unplug the connector, and any part of the center conductor has
green oxidation on it, your cable is probably taking on moisture.

I use 200' of RG-6 from Rat Shack, and replace it often, for my satellite
system (C-Band), and anticipate doing the same for this KU system.   I leave
mine above ground for easy replacement.

If you are not using a high grade cable rated for direct burial, such as Belden
RG-6, consider that if you are wanting it buried.  Radio Shack type coax with
less than 100% shield just wont work for very long under ground, lest it hasnt
here.

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From: DAVE DENNETT                           Number: 1095
  To: PATTY MORRIS                             Date: 05/26/94 11:19a
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

PM>speaking from a businessman/woman's point of view, it would
PM>make sense to cater to the majority of one's customers rather
PM>than alienating them by trying to appease a vocal minority.

But it also makes sense to appease the vocal minority when it in no way affects
the operations of the majority, since at some point in time, that vocal
minority may become a majority, or at least large enough to hold the knife that
butters the bread.

Nothing Bonnie asked for affected FIDO or any of the other nets at all, so I
see no reason why people are getting so bent out of shape.

Now if I could just get a UNInet packet that was current, I would really be
happy.

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From: BILL CLARK                             Number: 1096
  To: GLEN DAVIS                               Date: 05/27/94  4:12p
Subj: Signal Degradation                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <May 25 22:11>, Glen Davis of 1:228/500 writes:

 GD> Let's just say I...uh...didn't (THEORETICALLY, mind you).  What would I
 GD> do to rectify the situation...if those connections really WERE, in fact,
 GD> unsealed.

You could try unhooking the connectors and letting them dry out thoroughly, but
I suspect if moisture got into the coax cable itself, your only remedy is
replacing the coax - make sure you get the UG type coax if you are going to
bury it.

:-)  Bill

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From: DAVID COX                              Number: 1097
  To: CHRIS BATES                              Date: 05/26/94  7:46p
Subj: Automation of Mail.                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Chris!

26 May 94 02:11, Chris Bates wrote to All:

 CB> Hello All!

 CB> I have been experiencing a problem that I know a lot of you OS/2
 CB> sysops have been going through.  I have a dedicated computer
 CB> doing all my satellite stuff, and that is all it does.  Getting
 CB> the mail is NO problem -- the problem is transfering it to my
 CB> OS/2 machine.  I have a parrellel transfer cable hooked up right
 CB> now via LPT2 (sat. computer) to LPT1 on OS/2 machine.  I have to
 CB> go through the process of rebooting my OS/2 machine to DOS via
 CB> diskette (no dual boot), and I use Interlnk/Intersvr to transfer
 CB> the data.  What I want is a way to open a window on my OS/2
 CB> machine and copy the new mail over once the pass is complete.  I
 CB> need some type of network the will work DOS to OS/2, via
 CB> parallel, and will stand "open" while the mail is going.  I don't
 CB> wanna have to transfer it myself everyday!


Just a thought here... Have you tried using a Boot Image under OS/2. That would
allow you to boot DOS 6.2 for example in a window on your OS/2 machine and use
Intersrv to transfer to the DOS machine. (I think)

From the Command Reference Manual

VMDISK:


 Creates a file that contains the image of a DOS startup diskette.  After
creating an image, you can create a DOS session by starting from this image
file.

 VMDISK    sourcedrive                                 filename
                            targetdrive       path


 Related Commands: FSFILTER, FSACCESS

 Related Information: Starting a Specific Version of DOS

 To use VMDISK, you need to make changes to the DOS startup diskette.  Select
Starting a Specific Version of DOS in the "Related Information" section above
for more information about preparing the DOS startup diskette.


Hope this helps
David, Team OS/2

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 1098
  To: ELVIS HARGROVE                           Date: 05/27/94  8:47p
Subj: Lightning arrestor                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >      sustain, but it's stupid to think you can CONTROL lightning.
 >      Like the 200 pound canary, it does as it damn well pleases.

I'm often amazed by the people who think that a charged flow that traveling
literally miles through the air can be stopped by a piece of plastic with a
few pieces of clamping circuitry inside.

A combination of mechanical and electrical equipment is required as evidenced
by the power company's extremely effective surge suppression and lightning
arresting equipment.  I apologize in advance to anybody who begs to differ but
work for a power provider for a while and you'll see what I mean.

See ya                                                      Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 1099
  To: CHRIS BATES                              Date: 05/27/94  8:54p
Subj: Automation of Mail.                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > stuff, and that is all it does.  Getting the mail is NO problem -- the
 > problem is transfering it to my OS/2 machine.  I have a parrellel
 > transfer cable hooked up right now via LPT2 (sat. computer) to LPT1 on
 > OS/2 machine.  I have to go through the process of rebooting my OS/2

Why not serial ports and then use DSZ to send and receive?  38400 is fast
enough is it not?  If you have 16550's then conceivably 115200 is achievable.

See ya                                                            Todd

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From: JOE HAYES                              Number: 1100
  To: HIRAM BEMBRY                             Date: 05/27/94  8:44a
Subj: Is It Me????                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >Now I have something inbetween??

HB> A mutant....isn't genetics great!!!!!!!!
HB> ...

I recopied the .exe and overlay files from 2.12 and now I think I have it!

-Joe
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From: JOE HAYES                              Number: 1101
  To: CHRIS BATES                              Date: 05/27/94  8:45a
Subj: Is It Me????                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> re-installed 2.02 back on top of 2.12. Now I have something inbetween??

CB> Dang!  Sounds like you have been having fun over there!

CB> chris

Well I think I have it fixed now Chris, I recopied the .exe and overlay files,
now it looks like 2.12..

-Joe
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From: BOB TROTMAN                            Number: 1102
  To: ANDY ANDERSON                            Date: 05/28/94 11:19p
Subj: Lightning Arrestor                      Refer: NONE
Read: NO                                    Private: No

 > BT>
 >  BT>
 >  BT> What you can do is loop the coax about 5 times at each end, make loops
 > BT> about 8 inches round. To over simplify what this does is to say
 > BT> Lightning can not go in circles.
 >  BT>
 >  BT> Best wishes,
 >  BT> Bobby
 >
 >  Forget it! Dont do it!!
 >  At best, your device is nothing more than an "choke"
 > that is used as a
 >  kind of filter to prevent minute losses of voltage.
 >  What happens is the voltage and current drop, causing
 > a change in the flux
 >  field around the coax where tou have it coiled, as
 > this field collapses,
 >  the induced magnetic field (flux) creates a massive
 > surge of current.
 >  This current has to go somewhere! Either your LNA or
 > the receiver!!
 >  Be warned!
 >  Andy Anderson


Its an old ham trick and it does work. I can atest to it, at least as far as
ham equipment goes. I took a direct hit at the antena. It was fried, but I did
forget to mention that I go to ground before the loops. Everything outside was
toast including the coax, but everything inside was fine! I would rather
replace the LNB than the reciever, computer, modem, and printer. Since you will
probably lose everything anyway what does it harm?

Bobby


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From: TIM HELTON                             Number: 1103
  To: ROY TIMBERMAN                            Date: 05/29/94  9:02a
Subj: RE: INTERNATIONAL GENEALO               Refer: 1087
Read: NO                                    Private: No

-> You can run a net completely indepent of FidoNet and still use
-> the Fidonet node numbers.  Sounds like you need some education in
-> the handling of echomail.

Only Tom Jennings can make that decision.  The nodelist is copyrighted
by him and only he (or the courts) can make determinations as to its
fair use.  Right now he states that it shall only be used to
"participate in FidoNet" - to do anything beyond that is a violation of
his copyright (and his trademark, if they use the word "FidoNet").

Of course, it would only take 10 lawyers and 100k in legal fees to
establish this fact <g>.

tim
moderator
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From: MIKE ATKINSON                          Number: 1104
  To: SID BALCOM                               Date: 05/28/94  6:44p
Subj: Pc Usenet Files                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->       VERY good question. How many people are using them? Is anyone
-> using them?

I do.  All kinds of interesting stuff there!

Mike

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From: BILL WHITEHOUSE                        Number: 1105
  To: BONNIE ANTHONY                           Date: 05/28/94  5:32a
Subj: Re-zipping     <conto                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

According to Bonnie Anthony (1:105/285) on Fri, May 20 at 05:13:

 BA>Yes Boyd, I am very demanding.  I admit it.  I am very hard, pushy and
 BA>sometimes I get carried away.  I admit that too.  Here in public. That
 BA>is because I fanatically care about our network.

     Is it really worth all the ridicule and ill will? You walk all over folks,
they tend to resist the second time around. By the third, they're ready to show
you the door.

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From: BOB WATSON                             Number: 1106
  To: PATTY MORRIS                             Date: 05/26/94  5:51p
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

PM>    You're quite right in that every customer should be a valuable
PM>resource to any business, Bob, but by the same token, given the
PM>number of Fidonet systems (in excess of 26,000 nodes, worldwide)
PM>and the number of RIME systems (?) where do you see the largest
PM>number of potential customers for Planet Connect?  The world
PM>certainly doesn't revolve around Fidonet or it's members, but
PM>speaking from a businessman/woman's point of view, it would
PM>make sense to cater to the majority of one's customers rather
PM>than alienating them by trying to appease a vocal minority.


You Fido people just don't get it! It's hard to believe that such large
collection of people can all be so stupid! It is beyond belief....
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From: BONNIE ANTHONY                         Number: 1107
  To: MURRAY PLETSCH                           Date: 05/28/94  3:24a
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> In summary...I look forward to the association between all the folks in
-> the different nets and certainly hope our hobby is enhanced by
-> the experience.

May I second your sentiment Murray as it expresses exactly my feelings as
well?!
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From: BONNIE ANTHONY                         Number: 1108
  To: DAVE SKINNER                             Date: 05/28/94  3:26a
Subj: Re-zipping     <conto                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> They are all run together on my system also.  Might be a problem with
-> your software inserting the *wrong* type of line termination on
-> the quoted lines.

I have changed my quoting symbols for this conference.  Since my lines are set
to 72, and I think they terminate correctly I think it is not that.  I think it
might be that my quoting symbol may not work with the software used by the FIDO
systems.  So for in here I altered it.

Hope the above looks better.
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From: BONNIE ANTHONY                         Number: 1109
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 05/28/94  3:30a
Subj: Showing your ignorance                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> May I but in?   BTW it's  been a  long  time... I  hear  the  New
-> Orleans feed for  Rime  is  still  holding  up.   I'm  living  in
-> Alabama  now.    Perhaps I   can   make  a   couple   comments...

Hi Terry, nice to seeing you again!

-> the Rime packets/mail the temp file is  NEVER  rewritten  in  the
-> proper directory...    what this means is that it is  practically
-> impossible to undelete the  Rime  data/packet  because  the  next
-> incoming packet will be  overwriting  the  previous  one  quicker
-> than you could type "copy ..."  or "rename  .."   in  theory  you

Thanks Terry.  I thought that it worked like something like this!

-> Rime stuff.  In reality no one is going to manually  go  to  such
-> trouble.

I wouldn't think so.

Hope you have been quite well Terry and maybe some time soon we can catch up on
things!
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From: BILL CLARK                             Number: 1110
  To: RANDY EDWARDS                            Date: 05/28/94  6:56p
Subj: Signal Degradation                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <May 27 12:48>, Randy Edwards of 1:325/806 writes:

 RE>    Anyway, I wound up going with some coax marked RG-59/U.  I hoped the
 RE> "/U" meant that it could be buried (U)nderground.  Tell me, was my hunch
 RE> right and is this a half-way decent cable or should I look forward to
 RE> digging it up soon?

All coax cable introduces signal loss of its own, due to capacitance between
the center conductor and the shield.  RG-59/U is really not suitable for use
with satellite reception unless the length of the cable is very short (40-50
feet) and even with that length, I'd be far more comfortable using RG-6.
RG-59/U has much greater signal loss per fixed length than RG-6 or RG-6/UG of
the same length at the 950 to 1450 MegaHertz frequencies from the LNB.  More
signal loss in the cable itself means less signal getting to the data receiver.
 Also, I don't believe RG-59/U is meant to be buried.  I have some RG-59/U here
and if anything, the jacket on the cable is thinner than the jacket on the RG-6
cable I'm using and the RG-6 cable I'm using is not the type meant to be buried
(and it's not).

:-)  Bill

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From: JOHN HRUSOVSZKY                        Number: 1111
  To: MARTIN BELCKE                            Date: 05/28/94  1:14p
Subj: Re: Re-zipping                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->> Example: one of the businesses I own sells equipment and supplies to
->> dairy cow farmers.  We have about 1200 accounts.  We also have
->> about 4 accounts with dairy GOAT farmers.  Guess how many goat
->> supplies I stock as compared to COW supplies?

 MB> If you run out of inventory, is it an utter disaster?

Heh, Heh.  Nope....it's an _UDDER_ disaster. <G>


--jah

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From: DENNIS POWERS                          Number: 1112
  To: DAVE DENNETT                             Date: 05/28/94 11:25p
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Dave!

26 May 94, Dave Dennett writes to Patty Morris:

 DD> Nothing Bonnie asked for affected FIDO or any of the other nets at all, so
 DD> I see no reason why people are getting so bent out of shape.

I think it was the "tone" of the... "request", that had people up in arms.

Dennis

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From: MICKEY FERGUSON                        Number: 1113
  To: SCOTT MCNAY                              Date: 05/28/94  4:29a
Subj: Showing Your Ignorance                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

So? What's your point?

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From: MICKEY FERGUSON                        Number: 1114
  To: SCOTT MCNAY                              Date: 05/28/94  4:48a
Subj: Showing Your Ignorance                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

SM>So, Bonnie isn't completely wrong.

Sorry Scott it isn't that Bonnie isn't completely wrong. It is just that she
is so full of <fecal matter> that her breath stinks!

You see, this has been a _very_ friendly echo where all of us who've been
busting our butts for months trying to get a handle on the technology and make
it work for us to provide the best possible service to those we feed have
shared ideas and insights.

So in comes some sort of high Priestess of RIME with each and every word of
her messages so marinated in sarcasm that it is dripping from my screen onto
my keyboard and so totally uninformed about what is happening here that she
has made a complete joke of herself.  Someone ought to tell her that she may
be some sort of god-queen-of-the-universe in RIME, but here she is just
another grunt sysop with a bad attitude an a woeful lack of knowledge.  This
is not RIME, nor is it FidoNet, nor is it UseNet, nor any of the other nets
that Planet Connect carries.  Instead it is a place where _all_ of the folks
in _all_ of those nets can meet and share what they have learned and ask
questions of those who've been at it longer.

The sooner she learns this, the better off she will be.  Until then, the rest
of us will continue to substitute "Bonnie" for "dumb Blonde" in all of the
silly jokes that have been passing around.

Meanwhile, I'll just sit back and laugh as she continues to make an utter fool
of herself as she flames away at all and sundry.

Mickey

PS..I take it that you are one of the "True Believers" who must bow down and
worship????? ;)

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From: MICKEY FERGUSON                        Number: 1115
  To: GEORGE VANDERVORT                        Date: 05/28/94  4:49a
Subj: Patty who?                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

* In a message originally to George Peace, George Vandervort said:

GV>Don't pay too much attention to what Patty says these days..
GV>she is afflicted with "Wedding Bless"  <grin>

ROTFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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From: FOXY FERGUSON                          Number: 1116
  To: CARL NAVARRO                             Date: 05/28/94  2:53p
Subj: Your Whining                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

* Carl Navarro was overheard to say to Bonnie Anthony:

CN> BA> Planet Connect is really set up for FIDO and that the other networks,
CN> BA> RIME, ILink, NaNet, Intelec, UNINET all are less important to you than
CN> BA> FIDO?  Really?  Can I quote you on this?

CN> I think the quote is pretty accurate.  As a PC subscriber I would be hard
CN> pressed to continue my subscription if FIDONET were dropped.

No question at ALL in my mind, Carl. We only got in it for FIDONET MAIL!
Even the Fidonet files were just a bonus, not the primary objective. The
Usenet, RIME, and the other nets are *definite* bit bucket material
insofar as I am concerned, and have been for the past seven and a half
months.

CN>                     (much drivel deleted)

You got *that* right!

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From: ELVIS HARGROVE                         Number: 1117
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 05/28/94  3:01a
Subj: Showing your ignorance                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 @ORIGIN :BOO!  Board Of Occult  McAllen Tx.                          N
-> Anyway... it is not easy  to  trick  or  circumvent  the  process currently
-> in use.

No, and we won't tell anybody different, since any competent TSR programmer
knows just how easy it IS!

The ignorant will argue about it ad infinitem ad nauseum, while the rest of us
sit and smile.

^..^
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From: JIM WATSON                             Number: 1118
  To: DARYL TURNER                             Date: 05/28/94 11:53a
Subj: Re: MDN Areas                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Daryl Turner wrote in a message to Dave Osborne:

DT> Does this mean the MSDN is completely dead, or just dead on
DT> this side of the ocean?

Duncan told me in netmail that it was "discontinued due to lack of financial
support".  From the way he said it, and considering the pull of all areas, even
from the .NO file, I'd say it's "dead" -:)


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From: MIKE LESTER                            Number: 1119
  To: GARY CRAIN                               Date: 05/28/94  7:59p
Subj: Showing Your Ignorance                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Gary Crain wrote in a message to Elvis Hargrove:

GC> people?  Why else would they be called "donegals"?  <GRIN>

   Looks almost sexist if you ask me, shouldn't that be donpersons?

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From: JIM OUELLETTE                          Number: 1120
  To: JIM DUNMYER                              Date: 05/28/94  1:20a
Subj: RE: INTERNATIONAL GENEALO               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > uncertain terms that they are to never touch the normal Fido
 > echomail distribution system. However, we're still all in FidoNet,
 > no "othernet" overhead.

Maybe in some of the cases of 'private' nets,the leaders were also looking for
their own 'identity' with a different zone number?....Dunno,really..but as long
as the authors of software make their stuff compatible to more than just the
number (1),it shouldn't matter<g>...

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From: JEFF BOWMAN                            Number: 1121
  To: MUFUTAU TOWOBOLA                         Date: 05/28/94  7:13p
Subj: Pc & wm areas.bbs                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

MT--) |----------------------------|Craig French wrote
MT--)CF>  First this is a test! Second does anyone have a AREAS.BBS of
MT--)CF>all of FIDO set up for Wildmail? If somedoes I would be greatfull
MT--)CF>to get it from you, less typing for me, I am slow, and the two
MT--)CF>children I have at ages 3 and 4 are to much to handle and try
MT--)CF>to get it done. Thanks in advance.....
MT--) |----------------------------|I replied

MT--)You don't need an AREAS.BBS for Wildmail. It's stored in the WMCONFIG.DAT.
MT--)Only GoMail uses AREAS.BBS.


You can use AREAS.BBS to change and then import them with WMUTIL. I
think this is what he was wanting to accomplish
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From: JEFF BOWMAN                            Number: 1122
  To: JIM DUNMYER                              Date: 05/28/94  7:14p
Subj: RE-ZIPPING                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


JD--) > So as you can see both networks have a lot to offer and there are
JD--) > pros and cons with both networks but this doesn't mean that one is
JD--) > better than the other.

JD--)Mark,
JD--) Is RIME a .QWK network, or do they use some other sort of special softwar

You will need a program call POSTLINK
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From: JEFF BOWMAN                            Number: 1123
  To: ALL                                      Date: 05/28/94  7:14p
Subj: Postlink                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Does anyone know if Rime has came out with POSTLINK for Wildcat 4
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From: JEFF BOWMAN                            Number: 1124
  To: TIM KLAN                                 Date: 05/28/94  7:16p
Subj: internet gating                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

TK--) HELP ME!

TK--)I'm a sysop trying to find an internet gateway for sending up new
TK--)messages into the usenet newsgroups.  I use FREDUF to get planet
TK--)connect's .BAG packets into fido format to import to my bbs.  I can have
TK--)the replies exported to be sent in either FIDO .PKT or UUCP format.
TK--)Anyone who knows of any FIDONET nodes that would let me do this, please
TK--)respond.

TK--)I just need a site that will receive and post my users' newsgroup
TK--)messages.  This will only amount to a couple messages a week.  I use
TK--)Binkleyterm as my fidonet mailer.

I can handle this for you... 1:2215/600 or 610
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From: CHRIS BATES                            Number: 1125
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 05/29/94  2:43a
Subj: Automation of Mail.                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > Why not serial ports and then use DSZ to send and receive?
 > 38400 is fast enough is it not?  If you have 16550's then
 > conceivably 115200 is achievable.

You ever transferred 15 megs or more at 38400?? <G>  The problem is the
software to do it, any suggestions??  I have the null modem for the serials,
and the high speed 16550 Afn's...

Thanks,
chris

... This copy of GEdit has been unregistered for 57 days.
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From: JOE PATTERSON                          Number: 1126
  To: BONNIE ANTHONY                           Date: 05/28/94  8:40a
Subj: Re-zipping     <conto                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 BA> SB        In fact, if you posted messages like that in
 BA> my echoes, I would SBdeclare them inflammatory and
 BA> would take appropriate action.
 BA> well lucky this is not your "echo" then.  But it isn't
 BA> mine either, it belongs to technical support for the PC
 BA> folks so these kinds of discussions, and these personal
 BA> negative statements are really off topic in here. So
 BA> let's move on.
 BA> SBthat if I can easily serve a large group at $40 per
 BA> head, or if SBI am going to have to cater to a small
 BA> group that is making SBdifficult demands at $40 per
 BA> head, I'm going to go with the SBlarge group that's
 BA> easy to serve.
 BA> I wish you lots of luck in your business endeavors then.
 BA> SB        It would be nice if your software would do
 BA> quotes properly so SBthat we can follow the
 BA> I wish you lots of luck in your business endeavors then.
 BA> SB        It would be nice if your software would do
 BA> quotes properly so SBthat we can follow the
 BA> conversations better.
 BA> I'll keep that in mind, although you are the first
 BA> person who ever complained about my "quotes" being
 BA> improperly done.

Well the above is an example of your message that was received here.


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From: DARR HOAG                              Number: 1127
  To: MARTIN BELCKE                            Date: 05/26/94  1:03p
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

*** Quoting Martin Belcke to Darr Hoag dated 05-23-94 ***
> -> There are not several million InterNet addresses (yet)....
>
> You have some sort of address book with all Internet addresses?  Even a
> conservative estimate of the number of users on the Internet places it
> in the millions.  More than 1 million is several million in this

I never said there weren't several million _users_....  but you compared that
to the 28000 FidoNet addresses (not the several hundred thousand, at least,
users of FidoNet systems).

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From: DARR HOAG                              Number: 1128
  To: BRAD SETTLES                             Date: 05/26/94  1:07p
Subj: KU BAND DATA RECEIVER DEFICIENCIES      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

*** Quoting Brad Settles to Jim Dunmyer dated 05-24-94 ***
>  Sorry about the quotes but Fido is fairly new feature on Falken.
> Unfortunatly when weuse the quote the program grabs the entire message.

There's no 'Delete line' function in the editor?

... Rocky:"Wrong command?"; Bullwinkle:"I think it says it in the docs!"
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From: BRAD SETTLES                           Number: 1129
  To: DAVE DENNETT                             Date: 05/26/94  8:26a
Subj: Showing your ignorance                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

** Quoting Dave Dennett to Bonnie Anthony dated 22 May 94  07:09:00 **
D> BA>I see.  So you don't do anything then, the software does it by
D> BA>delievering it and then deleting it?  The donegal doesn't prevent the
D> BA>files from arriving on the hard disk, so they can simply be undeleted
D> BA>if somone wants to do that?
D>
D> The FIDO sysop you are quoting is uninformed.  The RIME files are not saved
D> on the hard drive, believe me, I tried to get them when the dongle I
D> received was not programmed correctly, and I was not getting RIME. Even
D> trying to undelete the temp file used during reception was unsuccessful.
D>
D> ===
D>  * CmpQwk 1.40b #111 * Ferret BBS * RIME * Throbnet * Smartnet * 10GB
D>  * Ferret BBS  N Little Rock AR  24K V.FC [phone]
D>  * PostLink(tm) v1.20 FERRET (#750) : RelayNet(tm)
D>
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D> My understanding is that they are written to the Hard drive but if your not
suppose to get them they are never renamed or even written to the Fat table on
the Hard drive.  Undelete onlyworks if the file was once written on the Fat
table.  When a file is deleted DOS only deletes the first letter of the file
name.  But since PC never wrote it to the Fat table at all you cant recover it.
I may be wrong but this is the way I understand the way PC works.
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From: HARRY MOYLES                           Number: 1130
  To: EDDIE MONEY                              Date: 05/27/94  2:47p
Subj: SETUP                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 >   I have called a couple of time since and send netmail a couple of
 > times, not a reply one since the first time I talked to him about
 > it.
 > Hope you better luck that I have had.

Well for one thing, its getting out?? Maybe your software is deleating it as a
dup and just not letting you know about it??

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From: JACK WILLIAMS                          Number: 1131
  To: LORI SMITH                               Date: 05/22/94  4:13p
Subj: Re: Link Test                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message to Jack Williams <05-20-94 15:34> Lori Smith wrote:

LS> Thanks for the reply... although now I ferget what it is your
LS> software does... :-(  Either way, I know it was something I was
LS> interested in.  If ya could, i'd like more info on your file.
LS> Non-shareware is fine... I enjoy registering products to support
LS> great programs.. if it's not too rich for my blood!<BG>
LS>
LS> Any info would be great.. even if it's a feature report on
LS> the software and a price for it... i am interested.  THANKS!

Lori: The software I wrote and am using extracts just those messages from
echoes which your board currently carried. You just type "EXTRACT" an it
automatically creates a "tossable" file containing messages just in those
echoes which are on your board.....

This saves your tosser from having to deal with 20,000 messages just to toss,
say, 1,000 or 2,000.

Now, if we could just get Planet Connect to correct their software where it
doesn't write *everything* to disk--even if you don't want it--and then
*erases* what you don't want. Terrible stress and unnecessary wear on the
disk drive mechanism....

Regards, Jack

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From: JACK WILLIAMS                          Number: 1132
  To: ROY TIMBERMAN                            Date: 05/23/94  1:54p
Subj: Genealogy Network                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message to Larry Labranche <05-20-94 21:59> Roy Timberman wrote:

RT> No Larry... it is not "needed" at all.  And never has been.

Please pardon me for butting-in... but there is at least one factor which
appears to have escaped your attention.

The prime reason that the genealogy network was formed was due to the abject
undependability of FidoNet and its delivery system. The Fido landline system
in your particular Region might be wonderful and completely responsive--but
the same can *not* be said in this area (and in other areas about which I am
familiar). In my particular case, my system has, on occasion, gone for a month
without receipt of any echomail. It was quite common experience to go for
several days and/or a week, or more, without receipt of echomail. Such
undependability is completely unacceptable to a person doing genealogy
research. Just missing *one* message or contact in genealogy can result in
lost and unrecoverable information and contacts that could save a researcher
years of search and toil.

No need to respond to this message. Let's both of us smile as we go on to more
productive activities.

Jack

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From: JACK WILLIAMS                          Number: 1133
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 05/25/94  4:54p
Subj: Question                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd: Please tell me when the FILEBONE.NA file is transmitted... and where it
lands (in what subdirectory). I have been looking for it furtively...

Regards, Jack

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From: ALEX STUART                            Number: 1134
  To: SID BALCOM                               Date: 05/28/94  9:23a
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

MP>>number of messages.  eg.....out of the 200+ downlinks, how many can
MP>>handle/do handle the Usenet stuff...!   Good trivia question eh...?

SB>         VERY good question. How many people are using them?
SB> Is anyone using them?

        I'm certainly using them.

     -- Alex

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From: GEORGE PEACE                           Number: 1135
  To: GEORGE VANDERVORT                        Date: 05/27/94  9:29a
Subj: PATTY WHO?                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >Don't pay too much attention to what Patty says these days..
 >she is afflicted with "Wedding Bless"  <grin>

;-)  I hope she never gets over it!!!

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From: MICKEY FERGUSON                        Number: 1136
  To: MARTIN BELCKE                            Date: 05/29/94  4:29a
Subj: Re: Re-zipping                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

* In a message originally to JOHN HRUSOVSZKY, MARTIN BELCKE said:

MB>-> Example: one of the businesses I own sells equipment and supplies to
MB>-> dairy cow farmers.  We have about 1200 accounts.  We also have about
MB>-> accounts with dairy GOAT farmers.  Guess how many goat supplies I sto
MB>-> as compared to COW supplies?

MB>If you run out of inventory, is it an utter disaster?

Shouldn't that be an "udder" disaster????? ;)

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 1137
  To: ELVIS HARGROVE                           Date: 05/29/94  3:41a
Subj: Showing your ignorance                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Elvis Hargrove wrote in a message to Terry Blount:

-> Anyway... it is not easy  to  trick  or  circumvent  the  process currently
-> in use.

EH> No, and we won't tell anybody different, since any competent
EH> TSR programmer knows just how easy it IS!

Like I said..."not easy to trick or circumvent"... how many
"competent" TSR programmers are their that are even remotely interested in
this?

EH> The ignorant will argue about it ad infinitem ad nauseum,
EH> while the rest of us sit and smile.

I bet you can't write a tsr that will save the data that is
written in the temp file.  Tell me where to freq it if you can. I want to set
up my ram drive as the drive for the temp holding drive for the !!!ST!!!.!!!
file and then copy it to my hard
drive under a different name every time a new file comes in.

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From: JOHN DODSON                            Number: 1138
  To: MARTIN BELCKE                            Date: 05/28/94  9:55p
Subj: Re: Re-zipping                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

MB>-> dairy cow farmers.  We have about 1200 accounts.  We also have about
MB>-> accounts with dairy GOAT farmers.  Guess how many goat supplies I sto
MB>-> as compared to COW supplies?

MB>If you run out of inventory, is it an utter disaster?

You blew it Martin... it should have been 'udder' disaster. <G>

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From: JOHN DODSON                            Number: 1139
  To: SID BALCOM                               Date: 05/28/94  9:55p
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

SB>        VERY good question. How many people are using them? Is anyone using
SB>them?

I'm posting about 1000 of them.  I am going to use Holonet for the
return.. which is $6 a month plus LD.

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From: JASON BUCHANAN                         Number: 1140
  To: ALL                                      Date: 05/29/94  2:59p
Subj: PacketSorter - RAR Compressor           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


The new release of PacketSorter is a WINNER!  If you don't have it, you should.
It is a lot faster with a LOT more features.

Also, if you haven't tried using the RAR compressor, you should try it too.  It
is just as fast as ZIP but has compression that is quite a bit better.


File-request from 286/2 (28800) or 286/702 (H16/V32B)

PacketSorter 1.4 - PSRT_14.ZIP
RAR Compressor   - RAR1_402.EXE
RAR English docs - RAR1402C.EXE - Unless you read Russian, get this file...

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From: JIM WATSON                             Number: 1141
  To: PATTY MORRIS                             Date: 05/29/94 11:09p
Subj: Re: Re-zipping                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Patty Morris wrote in a message to Jim Watson:

PM> Jim Watson wrote in a message to John Hrusovszky:

JW> Never had -anybody- call -me- "politically correct" <snicker>

PM>     So what do they call you, Jim?  ];>

Let's just say that it varies from time to time -:)

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From: CHRIS VON MOTZ                         Number: 1142
  To: MURRAY PLETSCH                           Date: 05/28/94 11:25a
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Very good message Murray.

Thanks for taking the time to share your views.

Regards,

Chris.
===
 * The Flying Dutchman,San Jose,Ca.[phone],V.32bis.4 NODES
 * PostLink(tm) v1.20 REDBARON (#1077) : RelayNet(tm)

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From: DENNIS POWERS                          Number: 1143
  To: ELVIS HARGROVE                           Date: 05/29/94  9:10p
Subj: Showing your ignorance                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Elvis!

28 May 94, Elvis Hargrove writes to Terry Blount:

 ->> Anyway... it is not easy  to  trick  or  circumvent  the  process
 ->> currently in use.

 EH> No, and we won't tell anybody different, since any competent TSR
 EH> programmer knows just how easy it IS!

The question is not how to circumvent the system but "why bother".

Dennis

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From: DAVE SKINNER                           Number: 1144
  To: MARK ADKINS                              Date: 05/29/94  1:14a
Subj: Re-zipping     <conto                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 MA>   Have you gotten a dish up yet or are you still grabbing from 105/50?

I'm still fetching stuff from 105/50.   Can't seem to get Planet Connect to
answer my netmail so I can place an order.   !!!HINT HINT HINT!!   I've got all
my stuff redone and added a 1.7gig drive and 486-66 so I dont have to fuss with
it.

-> They are all run together on my system also.  Might be a problem with
-> your software inserting the *wrong* type of line termination on the
-> quoted lines.

 MA> The above quote was three lines with the words quoted
 MA> lines. as the last two words which make line three of
 MA> the quoted. Do you see three lines all starting with ->
 MA>  or are the lines messed up? I remember a problem in
 MA> the Cascade echo when trying to send an ascii picture.

Your quote looked fine when it got here.  Its interesting that *my* system did
not insert MA> in front of the stuff you quoted back to me<sigh>

 MA> I may have to adjust a setting on one of the software
 MA> programs on this end.

 MA> Let me know..

I have seen a bunch of other folks complaining about the problem since the
tittat between Sid and Bonney.  Bonney's system *seems* to be the only one with
the problem.  And as other folks jump in to the frey, it looks like a bunch
more folks than Sid and I have software that does not like the way her system
is quoting.  If it is your gate, it seems strange that it only screws up on
messages from her.

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From: DAVE SKINNER                           Number: 1145
  To: BONNIE ANTHONY                           Date: 05/29/94 12:54p
Subj: Re-zipping     <conto                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> They are all run together on my system also.  Might be a problem with
-> your software inserting the *wrong* type of line termination on
-> the quoted lines.

 BA> I have changed my quoting symbols for this conference.
 BA> Since my lines are set to 72, and I think they
 BA> terminate correctly I think it is not that.  I think it
 BA> might be that my quoting symbol may not work with the
 BA> software used by the FIDO systems.  So for in here I altered it.

 BA> Hope the above looks better.

Yep.... Now we can all whine about the generic -> symbols instead of
initials<grin>   However, given the two options, I'll take your new method.


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From: ERIC PATTON                            Number: 1146
  To: ALL                                      Date: 05/29/94  4:16p
Subj: penis'                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Jeff, you fucking suck dick. Why don't we ,ake plans to see eachother some
time. Call me at [phone]


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From: ERIC PATTON                            Number: 1147
  To: ALL                                      Date: 05/29/94  4:23p
Subj: My penis is sore from being hard so long.  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

If anyone out there will be my special friend ca

ll me at [phone]. By the way Jeff, Wolverine says your a fat son of a
bitch.


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From: ERIC PATTON                            Number: 1148
  To: KAI VAND                                 Date: 05/29/94  4:31p
Subj: You suck i am goin to kick your ass!    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Comeon you big pussy, you think your so big and bad? If you really think you
can take me on, on monday come on and even try to hurt me with my back
turned. You better not try to get me up the butt you queer son of a bitch.
So, how was your mother last night?


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From: ERIC PATTON                            Number: 1149
  To: EAN MEYER                                Date: 05/29/94  4:34p
Subj: Your pussy of a girlfriend              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

your girlfriend was great when i was with her. i loved rocking her. you can't
compare to me youy pussy!  i plan on taking her back!


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From: JIM OUELLETTE                          Number: 1150
  To: SID BALCOM                               Date: 05/29/94 11:39p
Subj: RE-ZIPPING                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 >         I couldn't get the 701 to work. The 700 is working and I use
 > that to bail out. I would prefer to bail out before the PCUSENET
 > stuff comes across. And, probably for that matter, to bail out
 > earlier than that.
 >
 > ++ Sid ++

Did you use the if errorlevel 101 goto toss,in the batch file?....I was more
than a little befuddled until I read the PTC docs and saw that in order to exit
for the errorlevel 701=on,you needed to use the if errorlevel statements at 101
to exit when the mail and files & .tics were received instead of havin to wait
for 100 pcusenet.??? files to come in<g>....

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From: DENNIS MAIDON                          Number: 1151
  To: BOB WATSON                               Date: 05/29/94 11:36a
Subj: Re: Re-zipping                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

PM>>    You're quite right in that every customer should be a valuable
PM>>resource to any business, Bob, but by the same token, given the

 BW> You Fido people just don't get it! It's hard to believe that such large
 BW> collection of people can all be so stupid! It is beyond belief....

You RIME people seem to forget that a LOT of us FIDO folks used to be
RIME folks before we grew wise and got the hell outta Dodge.  I put up
with Bonnie's "Hitler" ways for 2 long and ardous years.  It was always
a case of "do like I say do, not like I actually do".  I don't want to
see RIME off the satellite but, I also don't enjoy having to read her
crap day after day.

If she is not happy with the way Planet Connect operates, let here start
her own uplink outfit.  At least my life will be more enjoyable.


catch ya later

Dennis N. Maidon

... Silver Xpress! Mail Door..Now doing it the Wildcat! way!!!


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From: JOHN HRUSOVSZKY                        Number: 1152
  To: BOB WATSON                               Date: 05/29/94  3:52p
Subj: Re: Re-zipping                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

PM>>    You're quite right in that every customer should be a valuable
PM>>resource to any business, Bob, but by the same token, given the
PM>>number of Fidonet systems (in excess of 26,000 nodes, worldwide)
PM>>and the number of RIME systems (?) where do you see the largest
PM>>number of potential customers for Planet Connect?  The world
PM>>certainly doesn't revolve around Fidonet or it's members, but
PM>>speaking from a businessman/woman's point of view, it would
PM>>make sense to cater to the majority of one's customers rather
PM>>than alienating them by trying to appease a vocal minority.

 BW> You Fido people just don't get it! It's hard to believe that
 BW> such large collection of people can all be so stupid! It is
 BW> beyond belief....

Stupid?  I believe it is _YOU_, sir, that just passed the duck test.

--jah

... I Came ........ I Read ........ I Responded.
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From: JOHN HRUSOVSZKY                        Number: 1153
  To: BONNIE ANTHONY                           Date: 05/29/94  3:52p
Subj: Re: Re-zipping     <conto               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->> They are all run together on my system also.  Might be a problem
->> with your software inserting the *wrong* type of line termination
->> on the quoted lines.

 BA> I have changed my quoting symbols for this conference.  Since
 BA> my lines are set to 72, and I think they terminate correctly I
 BA> think it is not that.  I think it might be that my quoting
 BA> symbol may not work with the software used by the FIDO systems.
 BA>  So for in here I altered it.

 BA> Hope the above looks better.

Worked well this time, Bonnie.

--jah

... (A)bort, (R)etry, (W)hackitonthesideofthemonitor!
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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1154
  To: JOHN HRUSOVSZKY                          Date: 05/29/94 11:36p
Subj: Re: Re-zipping                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> realm of Political Correctness :->

  Have to be fare.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1155
  To: JIM OUELLETTE                            Date: 05/29/94 11:41p
Subj: RE: INBOUND BAD ECHOMAIL AREA           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> that gave me more help than you'sa guys & gals at
> PC........ESoft<G>......so,I have you right up there in the 'appreciation
> department'.....keep up the great work!

   Thanks, I needed that!


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1156
  To: MAC BRYANT                               Date: 05/29/94 11:44p
Subj: Re: U'NI Net                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> I can work with Joe on this. Are you sending out the mail bundle you
> pick up from Joe at 1:15am eastern the same day? If so, I will ask

   Every day, same time, goes out at the 7:45 transfer. Sits on our system here
just for a few hours.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1157
  To: JIM DAVIE                                Date: 05/29/94 11:51p
Subj: Re: Gibberish on screen                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Is this something that can be corrected in the code?  Presently, the only
> way to clear the problem is to exit the code and restart it...

   That is what we are working on. I am testing a new version now which should
be available for beta within the next few days.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1158
  To: BOB MORTIMER                             Date: 05/29/94 11:54p
Subj: Re: Gibberish on screen                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Now it happened on a second SATURDAY morning!??!

> What's happen'n Boyd?

   I have no clue what so ever. I have a new version that is almost ready for
beta. Hopefully it will clear it up.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1159
  To: GEORGE PEACE                             Date: 05/30/94 12:19a
Subj: Re: RE-ZIPPING                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> like this. One where 26,000 SysOps all have equal privilege to pound on
> Boyd's head whenever they want.

   Well time to get the crash helmet out!


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1160
  To: RONNIE TOTH                              Date: 05/30/94 12:23a
Subj: Re: Re-zipping                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Well, as far as RADIST is concerned, things have been fine since we
> started with PC on April 1st.  Not one complaint and that says you're
> doing something just right.  So there!  <G>

  Thanks. I knew I would get something right sooner or later!


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1161
  To: JACK WILLIAMS                            Date: 05/30/94 12:43a
Subj: Re: Question                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Boyd: Please tell me when the FILEBONE.NA file is transmitted... and
> where it lands (in what subdirectory). I have been looking for it
> furtively...

   usually sent every Sunday I think and should land in the fidonet inbount or
rulebase 5.


...Boyd

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From: JOHN HERRBACH                          Number: 1162
  To: MARTIN BELCKE                            Date: 05/29/94 10:04a
Subj: Re: Re-zipping                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello MARTIN,

On May. 26, 1994 at 23:35 , MARTIN BELCKE of 1:232/10 wrote:

->> Example: one of the businesses I own sells equipment and supplies
->> to dairy cow farmers.  We have about 1200 accounts.  We also have
->> about accounts with dairy GOAT farmers.  Guess how many goat
->> supplies I sto as compared to COW supplies?

 MB> If you run out of inventory, is it an utter disaster?

Cud be....... <grin>

John {|-)
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From: JOHN HERRBACH                          Number: 1163
  To: GARY CRAIN                               Date: 05/29/94 10:05a
Subj: Showing Your Ignorance                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Gary,

On May. 26, 1994 at 20:27 , Gary Crain of 1:382/92@fidonet wrote:

 BA>>and then deleting it?  The donegal doesn't prevent the files
 BA>>from arriving

 EH>> Tee hee!  Foxy, if I can learn to type "because" surely Bonnie
 EH>> can learn to type DONGLE.

 GC> You mean you didn't know that some of the "dongles" were
 GC> imported from the old country where they are made by the wee
 GC> people?  Why else would they be called "donegals"?  <GRIN>

Seems to me I recall reading somewhere that DONGLE was named for the guy who
invented it?

John {|-)
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From: JOHN HERRBACH                          Number: 1164
  To: SEBASTIAN ACOSTA                         Date: 05/29/94 10:09a
Subj: Quotes                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Sebastian,

On May. 26, 1994 at 15:32 , Sebastian Acosta of 1:135/94 wrote:

 BA>> SB        It would be nice if your software would do quotes
 BA>> properly so SBthat we can follow the conversations better.

 BA>> I'll keep that in mind, although you are the first person who
 BA>> ever complained about my "quotes" being improperly done.

 SA> Your quotes do look terrible!  It is very hard to tell which is
 SA> a quote and which is your message.

Just remember, 4 quotes is a gallon.

John {|-)
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From: MARTIN BELCKE                          Number: 1165
  To: DARR HOAG                                Date: 05/29/94  4:14p
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> I never said there weren't several million _users_....  but you compa
-> to the 28000 FidoNet addresses (not the several hundred thousand, at
-> users of FidoNet systems).

Semantics.  In Fidonet there are over 26,000 nodes.  A single node is a
single address.  In the Internet there are, because of the way the
addressing is done, several million addresses.  Each "user" has their
own unique address.  In terms of Fidonet style addressing, they would
each be a node, therefor several million nodes in Internet.  I have
several thousand members of my bbs.  They all have the same address,
just the names are changed to protect the innocent (grin).  If you were
a member, your address would be:

DARR HOAG @ 1:232/10.  No other members of the BBS would be able to read
your netmail message, if the message had the private flag.  The point
is, you would not have a unique address on my system for Fidonet.

However, this whole topic got started because someone thought that
because Fidonet has over 26,000 nodes and RIME only 1,600 (or so) nodes
that Planet Connect should be more concerned about Fidonet than RIME.
My point was that the Internet is even larger than Fidonet, thus, using
the same logic used above, Internet should be Planet Connects' first
priority as they have a MUCH larger user base than Fidonet or RIME.  The
argument put forth, however, has a very large falicy in that the size of
the network is not the determining factor as to who gets what and when
on PLanet Connect.  They are trying to serve all networks on the
satellite, not just one.  Fidonet is no more important than RIME or any
other network, we are just one of many networks on the satellite.

--Martin--

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From: MARTIN BELCKE                          Number: 1166
  To: JOHN HRUSOVSZKY                          Date: 05/29/94  4:16p
Subj: Re: Re-zipping                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->  MB> If you run out of inventory, is it an utter disaster?
->
-> Heh, Heh.  Nope....it's an _UDDER_ disaster. <G>

Well, I didn't want to milk the point, but thank you for clarifying ;->

--Martin--

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From: MARTIN BELCKE                          Number: 1167
  To: BONNIE ANTHONY                           Date: 05/29/94  5:09p
Subj: Re-zipping     <conto                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Hope the above looks better.

Whatever it was, it worked!  The message you quoted was readable.  Thank
you for making the change in this conference, I, for one, appreciate it.

--Martin--

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From: RANDY EDWARDS                          Number: 1168
  To: BILL CLARK                               Date: 05/29/94  6:59p
Subj: Signal Degradation                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On May 28 18:56 94, Bill Clark of 1:100/602.1 wrote:

 BC> All coax cable introduces signal loss of its own, due to capacitance
 BC> between the center conductor and the shield.  RG-59/U is really not
 BC> suitable for use with satellite reception unless the length of the
 BC> cable is very short (40-50 feet) and even with that length, I'd be far
 BC> more comfortable using RG-6.

   Thanks for the info Bill.  That grass over that cable trench should've known
not to get too comfortable. :-)

   Fortunately, my cable run is pretty short -- probably 50-60 feet.  That (or
dumb luck:-) must be why I haven't had any major problems so far.  Either way,
I want to have some decent cable in the ground here before winter.  Our winters
are pretty bad, with 40-45 below zero (F) not uncommon.  I sure don't want to
be worrying about the cable with four feet of snow on top of the ground.

   So, you think the stuff I should track down is RG-6/UG, eh?  Thanks again
for the info.
.
Randy                                 BBS [phone] (V.FC)
FidoNet 1:325/806 1:325/805           InterNet [e-mail]

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From: EDDIE MONEY                            Number: 1169
  To: HARRY MOYLES                             Date: 05/29/94  9:02p
Subj: SETUP                                   Refer: NONE
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Hello Harry!

Friday May 27 1994 14:47, Harry Moyles wrote to Eddie Money:


 >> I have called a couple of time since and send netmail a couple of
 >> times, not a reply one since the first time I talked to him about
 >> it.
 >> Hope you better luck that I have had.

 HM> Well for one thing, its getting out?? Maybe your software is deleating it
 HM> as a dup and just not letting you know about it??

Thank's for the reply Harry. Well the problem is that it don't do it everyday.
Somedays it works fine and the messages goes out fine and then somedays it
don't. It don't show in the stats message either. Maybe one day.
have a nice one.

Eddie

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From: EDDIE MONEY                            Number: 1170
  To: BOB WATSON                               Date: 05/29/94  9:05p
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
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Hello Bob!

Thursday May 26 1994 17:51, Bob Watson wrote to Patty Morris:

 PM>> You're quite right in that every customer should be a valuable
 PM>> resource to any business, Bob, but by the same token, given the
 PM>> number of Fidonet systems (in excess of 26,000 nodes, worldwide)
 PM>> and the number of RIME systems (?) where do you see the largest
 PM>> number of potential customers for Planet Connect?  The world
 PM>> certainly doesn't revolve around Fidonet or it's members, but
 PM>> speaking from a businessman/woman's point of view, it would
 PM>> make sense to cater to the majority of one's customers rather
 PM>> than alienating them by trying to appease a vocal minority.


 BW> You Fido people just don't get it! It's hard to believe that such large
 BW> collection of people can all be so stupid! It is beyond belief....

its hard to believe that one non-fido person can be so stupid. YOU!

Eddie

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From: ROBERT HILGAR                          Number: 1171
  To: BONNIE ANTHONY                           Date: 05/28/94  1:32a
Subj: Quoting                                 Refer: NONE
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Hello Bonnie!

        Your method of quoting is horrible! Why don't you choose a more
intelligent editor? It's bad enough having to read all this trash about your
tiny little network, but when I have to decrypt your quoting it becomes
outright annoying. Please fix it!

        Oh, and also, for the millionth time, it is a DONGLE, _NOT_ a DONEGAL!!

                                                         Robert 0A3F/0208

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From: TIM KLAN                               Number: 1172
  To: JEFF BOWMAN                              Date: 05/29/94  5:11p
Subj: 1:2215/600  internet gati               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JB>TK--)I just need a site that will receive and post my users' newsgroup
 >TK--)messages.  This will only amount to a couple messages a week.  I use
 >TK--)Binkleyterm as my fidonet mailer.

JB>I can handle this for you... 1:2215/600 or 610
 >---

Thanks, jeff..  How do you need the messages? (uucp bag or fido pkt
format?)  I appreciate your help

       Tim Klan
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From: BOB SLOWINSKI                          Number: 1173
  To: ALL                                      Date: 05/29/94 10:45a
Subj: test                                    Refer: NONE
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after some problems, just wondering if I am now making the trip?
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From: RANDY EDWARDS                          Number: 1174
  To: DAVE SKINNER                             Date: 05/30/94  6:44p
Subj: Re-zipping     <conto                   Refer: NONE
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On May 29 01:14 94, Dave Skinner of 1:105/711 wrote:

 DS> I'm still fetching stuff from 105/50.   Can't seem to get Planet
 DS> Connect to answer my netmail so I can place an order.   !!!HINT HINT

   Why not just give Planet Connect a voice call at 615-623-4694?
.
Randy                                 BBS [phone] (V.FC)
FidoNet 1:325/806 1:325/805           InterNet [e-mail]

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From: WILLIAM SUTTER                         Number: 1175
  To: ALL                                      Date: 05/27/94 11:58a
Subj: Planet connect and pcboar               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

@SUBJECT:Planet Connect and PcBoard                                  N I would
like to get advice from anyone using Planet Connect Satellite systems and Pc
Board.  I want to set up the system on my board and would like any advice on
the systema dn set-up on PcBoard 15.1.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

William Sutter
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From: JERRY SHENK                            Number: 1176
  To: BOB WATSON                               Date: 05/29/94  7:08p
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

>You Fido people just don't get it! It's hard to believe that such large
>collection of people can all be so stupid! It is beyond belief....

You fuss about Fido being a 'flaming network' and then you say something like
this?  Come on, we're the new people on this network.  Personally I'd like to
be able to come in here and ask questions of these old hands at pulling in a
feed from the bird how they handle various problems.  I'd like to know how to
process TIC files.  I'd like to get advice on how they are handling USENET.
Comments like the above quote certainly don't endear us to them!  I'd much
rather have friends than enemies!
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From: JERRY SHENK                            Number: 1177
  To: SID BALCOM                               Date: 05/29/94  7:27p
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
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 MP>>Hmmm.....well, that is a good point Guy....but there is no doubt in my
 MP>>mind that there are not many downlinks here on Planet Connect who have
 MP>>the capability to handle the Usenet conferences due to the very large
 MP>>number of messages.  eg.....out of the 200+ downlinks, how many can
 MP>>handle/do handle the Usenet stuff...!   Good trivia question eh...? :-)

>        VERY good question. How many people are using them? Is anyone
>using them?

I'm gonna be using them as soon as I get things set up.  I'd like to drop
USENET from my long distance uucp connection.
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From: BRAD CHESBRO                           Number: 1178
  To: BILL CLARK                               Date: 05/27/94 12:24p
Subj: Re: ku band data receiver               Refer: NONE
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-> BC> I've not seen this AGC circuit oscillation problem with the KU

Occurred to me I might share an experience with the PC dish/etc.  I have a 3
foot KU dish on a balcony, perfectly clear sky dish to satellite.

But directly in line with and behind the LNB as focused by the dish (say two
feet past) was iron railing.

Got lots of noise and oscillation.

Raised the whole setup 1.5 feet.  Same sky, but the focus on the LNB clears the
railing (mostly).

Just doing that cleared the signal and stopped the oscillation.
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From: JOHN DODSON                            Number: 1179
  To: BOB WATSON                               Date: 05/30/94  6:31p
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
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 BW> You Fido people just don't get it! It's hard to believe that such
 BW> large collection of people can all be so stupid! It is beyond
 BW> belief.... ===

Psst, hey Bob... you're not acting obnoxious again are you?   Hmm..
calling 26,000 sysops "stupid"?   You are a real charmer.

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From: TIM FIERRO                             Number: 1180
  To: MARTIN BELCKE                            Date: 05/30/94  3:49p
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
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MB> However, this whole topic got started because someone thought that
MB> because Fidonet has over 26,000 nodes and RIME only 1,600 (or so) nodes
MB> that Planet Connect should be more concerned about Fidonet than RIME.
MB> My point was that the Internet is even larger than Fidonet, thus, using
MB> the same logic used above, Internet should be Planet Connects' first
MB> priority as they have a MUCH larger user base than Fidonet or RIME.  The
MB> argument put forth, however, has a very large falicy in that the size of
MB> the network is not the determining factor as to who gets what and when
MB> on PLanet Connect.  They are trying to serve all networks on the
MB> satellite, not just one.  Fidonet is no more important than RIME or any
MB> other network, we are just one of many networks on the satellite.

And PC should follow what their customer base wants.  If there
are 1000 subscribers who wish to have FidoNet, then PC should
keep that active and working at it's full potential as that is
what a large customer base is wanting.  If there are only 10
subscribers who want RIME, then they have to judge the priority
of it.  If the subscribers are not many, what benefits are there
in putting it on the dish?

You can bring the net to the dish, but you can't make us carry
it. :)  If it brings in income, I am sure PC will see if it is
feasible to hook it up into the stream.  I am sure PC will make
connections to whatever networks will be profitable in the sales
of new dishes and subscription fees.


The Racer's Edge Network Delivery System * TRENDS! [phone]/939-7876

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From: RANDY RILEY                            Number: 1181
  To: SID BALCOM                               Date: 05/30/94  8:40p
Subj: Pc Usenet Files                         Refer: NONE
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->       VERY good question. How many people are using them? Is anyone
-> using them?

I use them too....have about 80% of the Groups set up for my callers.

Randy

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From: PATTY MORRIS                           Number: 1182
  To: DAVE DENNETT                             Date: 05/30/94  6:06a
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
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Dave Dennett wrote in a message to Patty Morris:

DD> But it also makes sense to appease the vocal minority when
DD> it in no way affects the operations of the majority, since
DD> at some point in time, that vocal minority may become a
DD> majority, or at least large enough to hold the knife that
DD> butters the bread.

    True, when it doesn't adversely affect the operations of the majority,
Dave.
 Personally and with no offense intended, I simply don't see RIME becoming a
majority of any kind unless it suddenly gained another 24,000+ members.

DD> Nothing Bonnie asked for affected FIDO or any of the other
DD> nets at all, so I see no reason why people are getting so
DD> bent out of shape.

    Hopefully you aren't of the belief that I am one of the bent out of shape
folks, because as long as it has no adverse effects on our system or it's
operation I honestly don't care.  We, like you I suspect, simply want our mail
and files in a timely manner. I responded simply because you commented that the
sun neither rises nor sets upon FidoNet or it's membership and your message
struck a chord with me.

DD> Now if I could just get a UNInet packet that was current, I
DD> would really be happy.

    I looked at that network when it first started arriving here via satellite
and even thought about joining it but haven't done so.

                      --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: PATTY MORRIS                           Number: 1183
  To: BOB WATSON                               Date: 05/30/94  6:12a
Subj: Bravo!                                  Refer: NONE
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Bob Watson wrote in a message to Patty Morris:

BW> You Fido people just don't get it! It's hard to believe that
BW> such large collection of people can all be so stupid! It is
BW> beyond belief.... ===

    Bob, I should think you would hesitate to use the word stupid here since I
wrote you a non-inflammatory message commenting upon the business aspects of
Planet Connect's position, to which you responded with a flame showing your own
ignorance.  I must admit, I simply couldn't have done a better job of making
you appear more asinine than you have done yourself.  Bravo!

                      --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: JOHN HRUSOVSZKY                        Number: 1184
  To: ALL                                      Date: 05/30/94 12:52a
Subj: Linux                                   Refer: NONE
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Help!  I have some of the linux files, but am also missing some, and not
sure which ones I am missing, or where to FREQ them.

What I currently have is:

LNXAP1.ZIP
LNXAP2.ZIP
LNXAP3.ZIP
LNXAP4.ZIP
LNXD1.ZIP
LNXD2.ZIP
LNXD3.ZIP
LNXD4.ZIP
LNXD5.ZIP
LNXD6.ZIP

(NOTE: I have all the parts of the above, a, b and c, where relevant).

Which ones am I missing, and where can I FREQ them at high speed?

Thanks much in advance.

--jah

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From: JOHN HRUSOVSZKY                        Number: 1185
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 05/30/94  5:01p
Subj: Re: Re-zipping                          Refer: NONE
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>> realm of Political Correctness :->
 BG>
 BG>   Have to be fare.

'Fare' I can understand, but fair?  :->



--jah

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From: JOHN HRUSOVSZKY                        Number: 1186
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 05/30/94  5:01p
Subj: Re: Gibberish On Screen                 Refer: NONE
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>> Now it happened on a second SATURDAY morning!??!
>> What's happen'n Boyd?
 BG>
 BG>    I have no clue what so ever. I have a new version that is
 BG>    almost ready for beta. Hopefully it will clear it up.

Seemed to begin when Rime got on the bird ...

Nah...that was just a ribbin'.  Actually, it seems as if it's become a
Saturday event...I would suspect it is something that is happening at
the uplink, or in a batch file or new piece of software you are running,
as ours seemed to work real well until about 3 weeks ago.

--jah

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From: JOHN HRUSOVSZKY                        Number: 1187
  To: MARTIN BELCKE                            Date: 05/30/94  5:01p
Subj: Re: Re-zipping                          Refer: NONE
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->>  MB> If you run out of inventory, is it an utter disaster?
->>
->> Heh, Heh.  Nope....it's an _UDDER_ disaster. <G>

 MB> Well, I didn't want to milk the point, but thank you for
 MB> clarifying ;->

Cheeze, Martin, don't you give up?  :-D


--jah

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From: JOHN HRUSOVSZKY                        Number: 1188
  To: RANDY EDWARDS                            Date: 05/30/94  5:01p
Subj: Re: Signal Degradation                  Refer: NONE
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 BC>> All coax cable introduces signal loss of its own, due to
 BC>> capacitance between the center conductor and the shield.
 BC>> RG-59/U is really not suitable for use with satellite reception
 BC>> unless the length of the cable is very short (40-50 feet) and
 BC>> even with that length, I'd be far more comfortable using RG-6.

 RE>    Thanks for the info Bill.  That grass over that cable trench
 RE> should've known not to get too comfortable. :-)
 RE>    Fortunately, my cable run is pretty short -- probably 50-60
 RE>    feet. That (or dumb luck:-) must be why I haven't had any
 RE>  major problems so far.  Either way, I want to have some decent
 RE>  cable in the ground here before winter.  Our winters are
 RE>  pretty bad, with 40-45 below zero (F) not uncommon.  I sure
 RE>  don't want to be worrying about the cable with four feet of
 RE>  snow on top of the ground.
 RE>    So, you think the stuff I should track down is RG-6/UG, eh?

Hi, Randy.  While I will agree with BCs post for the most part, I must
also comment that a 50 to 60' run of RG59U is most likely NOT going to
cause you trouble.  Heck, I've run '59 for over 100' already on
950-1450Mhz systems, without any troubles ... depends on the gain you
have at the dish as to what the signal loss in the cable will be by the
time it gets to the demodulator/receiver.  While RG6U would be a good
choice (RG11U would be better, and RG213U would be even better than
that), I doubt I would dig up a cable to replace it unless I was
experiencing problems already.  And replacing the cable would be the
LAST thing I would do ... the first I would do is to ensure the dish is
aimed as close to 100% as it can be ... the second would be to try
another LNB (Drake LNBs are, IMHO, the BEST for the application, in
noise figure and in gain).

As far as 'flooded' RG6U, you can probably get some from your local
cable operator.  It is REALLY messy to work with, but will help in a
situation whereby you have moles, or sharp rocks or something
underground that could pierce the jacket of the cable and cause the
outer aluminum braid or foil to short with the center conductor.
Personally, I use regular 6U and place it inside a 1" PVC (or conduit),
as the is the easiest (and best IMHO) way to run the cable.  If you do
decide to use the PVC (or conduit) route, do NOT seal up the end of the
conduit that goes up the pole your dish is on ... instead, put 2 90
degree connectors on it, to make it 'cane-shaped' on the top, and that
allows the PVC to 'breathe' so it won't condensate and get moisture in
it to freeze in your winters.

For what it's worth ....

--jah

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From: CHUCK GUSTAFSON                        Number: 1189
  To: RANDY EDWARDS                            Date: 05/30/94  1:37p
Subj: Re: Signal Degradation                  Refer: NONE
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On Sun 29-May-1994 18:59 thus spake Randy Edwards unto Bill Clark:

 RE> Either way, I want to have some decent cable in the ground here before
 RE> winter.  Our winters are pretty bad, with 40-45 below zero (F) not
 RE> uncommon.  I sure don't want to be worrying about the cable with four feet
 RE> of snow on top of the ground.

 RE>    So, you think the stuff I should track down is RG-6/UG, eh?  Thanks

As an engineer who has had to bury various type of coaxial cable for many
years, the proper way is (especially if your winters are really 40 below):

     Dig trench 4 feet deep.  Use either 1 1/2" PVC tubing or PVC plastic
     pipe.  If using PVC plastic pipe, make sure you use the 90 degree
     sweep elbows that the electricians use rather than the sharp elbows that
plumbers use to bring the pipe back to the surface.  Make sure that
     you leave a pull wire in there when you're done so you can pull other
     wires in later.  RG-6 cable is recommended.

     To waterproof the above ground ends when you are done, stuff some wire
back into the tubing so you have some slack to pull, then wad up some
     soft paper (such as facial tissue) around the wires and stuff it in the
pipe so that it's about 1/2 inch below the end.  Seal with silicone
     caulk.

     If you ever need to get back into the tubing/pipe, just use a sharp thin
     knife to cut around the edge between the silicone and the pipe and then
pull on the wires to pull the plug out. Trim off the silicone and you're ready
to add more wires.

A lot of work, but that's the best way.  Of course I didn't follow my own
advice here at home.  <grin>   I just used the direct burial TVRO cable (2
RG-6/motor power/position sensor/polarotor) and shoved it down into a
slit made by a spade.  It's buried about 4 inches.  It's worked for many years
without a problem.

Chuck

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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 1190
  To: DARYL TURNER                             Date: 05/30/94  8:40p
Subj: Re: MDN Areas                           Refer: NONE
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In a msg on <May 25 00:55>, Daryl Turner writes:

 DO> 2) MSDN has been discontinued because of lack of funding.

 DT>Does this mean the MSDN is completely dead, or just dead on this
 DT>side of the ocean?

I read it as being dead dead.  However, I'm just passing info.

D.

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From: ANTHONY GRILLO                         Number: 1191
  To: DAVE DENNETT                             Date: 05/29/94  9:40p
Subj: Re: Signal degradation                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hiya,


 DD> Coax cable has a very high loss for frequencies around 1GHZ,
 DD> especially those that are cheaply made for TV systems.   You

 DD> Also, you might replace the connectors on the coax, using gold
 DD> connectors and a professional crimper.   Any moisture at all
 DD> tends to cause the cable to oxidize.  If you unplug the
 DD> connector, and any part of the center conductor has green
 DD> oxidation on it, your cable is probably taking on moisture.

 DD> I use 200' of RG-6 from Rat Shack, and replace it often, for my
 DD> satellite system (C-Band), and anticipate doing the same for
 DD> this KU system.   I leave mine above ground for easy
 DD> replacement.

 DD> If you are not using a high grade cable rated for direct
 DD> burial, such as Belden RG-6, consider that if you are wanting
 DD> it buried.  Radio Shack type coax with less than 100% shield
 DD> just wont work for very long under ground, lest it hasnt here.

The real answer is to get away from COAX completely and start using
HELIAX. HELIAX is a direct replacement for COAX and it has very low
loss at higher frequncies. The connectors are GAS tight and the most
common connector is an "N" connector but I assume you need to use UHF
connectors. They are available as well. My suggestion is to have the
cable preassmbled and cut to length. The physical construction of the
cable consists of a high quality coating covering a solid sheath of
copper, a low loss dielectric and a copper conductor.

If you want to stick with RG/6U (which is really obsolete) get a good
grade of BELDEN equivalent. But don't direct bury it. Bury a 3/4"
flexible PVC pipe that comes in various lengths. Feed the cable
through it and provide drip loops as well as sealing the pipe with
silicone. The cable will last a very long time.

As for connectors, don't use the cheapie connectors that crimp on. Get
solder connectors and do it right!

I have been using these techniques on radio base station installations
over the years including a 250 ft run to the top of Alpine tower in
NJ. That kind of cable you want to last a very very long time.

If you want a source for HELIAX let me know and I'll pass it along to
you.


Anthony
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From: GEORGE VANDERVORT                      Number: 1192
  To: JEFF BALLARD                             Date: 05/31/94  2:38p
Subj: censored                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Jeff!

BLEEP!

 EP> So, how was your mother last night?
 EP>
 EP> -+- Intermail/Fastecho/Proboard 2
 EP>  + Origin: Sky-Net BBS - Deltona,Fl [407-574-0670] 3 Nodes (1:3618/12)

The Ferangi First Rule of acquisition is:

"Never let a New user or even a regular access level user, have WRITE ACCESS
to any National Echo's that leave your BBS into the Backbone..."
Failure to observe this guild line can be at least, embarrassing..  :-)

In order for any User on my BBs to have **WRITE PRIVILAGES**, I have to
manually change a security Flag to allow Write privilages to individual Users.


Regards,
George Vandervort - NEC Net382
 ++ QuickBBS 2.80 Ovr (Gamma-4)/Binkley 2.59wb
    InterNet: [e-mail]

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From: ROY TIMBERMAN                          Number: 1193
  To: TIM HELTON                               Date: 05/30/94  8:14p
Subj: RE: INTERNATIONAL GENEALO               Refer: NONE
Read: 06/02/94  9:13p                       Private: No

TH>Only Tom Jennings can make that decision.  The nodelist is copyrighted

You really believe this too, don't you?

-r

 * 1st 1.11 #106bt * All things are difficult before they are easy.
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From: RANDY EDWARDS                          Number: 1194
  To: BOB SLOWINSKI                            Date: 05/31/94  5:02p
Subj: test                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On May 29 10:45 94, Bob Slowinski of 1:282/76 wrote:

 BS> after some problems, just wondering if I am now making the trip?

   Well your message got up here to the woods of Vermont's Northeast Kingdom
just fine -- so I guess so!
.
Randy                                 BBS [phone] (V.FC)
FidoNet 1:325/806 1:325/805           InterNet [e-mail]

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From: RODNEY D. MYERS                        Number: 1195
  To: DENNIS MAIDON                            Date: 05/31/94  3:00a
Subj: Re: Re-zipping                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No



In a message of 29 May 94 Dennis Maidon wrote to Bob Watson:

 DM> You RIME people seem to forget that a LOT of us FIDO folks used to be
 DM> RIME folks before we grew wise and got the hell outta Dodge.  I put up
 DM> with Bonnie's "Hitler" ways for 2 long and ardous years.  It was always
 DM> a case of "do like I say do, not like I actually do".  I don't want to
 DM> see RIME off the satellite but, I also don't enjoy having to read her
 DM> crap day after day.

 DM> If she is not happy with the way Planet Connect operates, let here
 DM> start her own uplink outfit.  At least my life will be more enjoyable.


 DM> catch ya later

 DM> Dennis N. Maidon

 DM> ... Silver Xpress! Mail Door..Now doing it the Wildcat! way!!!


 DM> --- WM v3.11/93-0942
 DM>  * Origin: TPB! 919-965-4696 (USR 28.8k) PAROLE Software  (1:151/185.0)

Thank you !  The Rime network, ie Bonnie A./Howard B. runthings with
at least 2 set of rules.

One for their 'friends', and the other for everyone else.

Rodney Myers

... Who remembers when we used to rest on Sunday instead of Monday?
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From: RODNEY D. MYERS                        Number: 1196
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 05/31/94  3:03a
Subj: Thanks                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd,

Thanks foryour reply concerning ARC vs. Zip of the nodediff.

Rodney Myers

... Your ship finally comes in--but it's the Kobayashi Maru!
--- Spot 1.2d #797
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From: MARK ADKINS                            Number: 1197
  To: JEFF BOWMAN                              Date: 05/31/94 11:48a
Subj: Postlink                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Does anyone know if Rime has came out with POSTLINK for Wildcat 4

Postlink will work with any BBS software that has a UTI written for it. Contact
Mustang and see if they have a UTI for WC! 4.

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From: MARK ADKINS                            Number: 1198
  To: DAVE SKINNER                             Date: 05/31/94 12:18p
Subj: Re-zipping     <conto                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

DS> I'm still fetching stuff from 105/50.   Can't seem to get Planet
DS> Connect to answer my netmail so I can place an order.   !!!HINT HINT
DS> HINT!! I've got all my stuff redone and added a 1.7gig drive and
DS> 486-66 so I dont have to fuss with it.

Looks like it's time to break down, pickup that telephone and make a long
distance voice call. <G>

DS> I have seen a bunch of other folks complaining about the problem
DS> since the tittat between Sid and Bonney.  Bonney's system *seems* to
DS> be the only one with the problem.  And as other folks jump in to the
DS> frey, it looks like a bunch more folks than Sid and I have software
DS> that does not like the way her system is quoting.  If it is your
DS> gate, it seems strange that it only screws up on messages from her.

Well with the change in a setting only time will tell if things are any better.
With all of the editors out there and everyone setup for something a little
different, i.e., 66 columns per line, 72, 79, it's hard to get things to look
good for everyone. If this setting doesn't look right there's one more than can
be used that is used for Usenet and ANSI.

Mark

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From: BOB WATSON                             Number: 1199
  To: SHEILA LENNON                            Date: 05/29/94 10:26p
Subj: Not the phone company                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

SL>        This is an adventure. You're on the wrong bus if you don't like
SL>roughing it, lady.

SL>        This is a group whose currency is cooperation. Your bottom
SL>line's no good here.

Yet another warm and welcome reply from a fight-o-net person. Why does it seems
that you all have to always be hostile? Is it your nets way of life or
something? I can't remember the last time a nice message came from your side to
this side! Bonnie's bottom line may not set well with you, but YOUR complete
line is a bunch of garbage! Grow up a bit!
===
 * DeLuxe 1.26b #1134s * The TAO BBS - Mercerville,NJ - [phone]
 * The TAO BBS * Mercerville,NJ * [phone] * USR Dual Standard
 * PostLink(tm) v1.11  TAO (#1377) : RelayNet(tm)

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From: BOB WATSON                             Number: 1200
  To: CARL NAVARRO                             Date: 05/29/94 10:26p
Subj: Your whining       <cont>               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

CN>echo about who gets the best treatment.  The carrier does NOT HAVE AN
CN>OBLIGATION to carry all networks.

And that includes Fido too! Just remember that! It's a two way street buddy!
===
 * DeLuxe 1.26b #1134s * The TAO BBS - Mercerville,NJ - [phone]
 * The TAO BBS * Mercerville,NJ * [phone] * USR Dual Standard
 * PostLink(tm) v1.11  TAO (#1377) : RelayNet(tm)

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From: BOB WATSON                             Number: 1201
  To: BONNIE ANTHONY                           Date: 05/30/94  7:53p
Subj: Your whining                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

BA>You resent the fact that the RIME files are sent immediately after
BA>your FIDO run?  In what position do you think they should be sent to
BA>make it better for you?

I believe they would feel better if they weren't sent at all! I get the feeling
in here that the fight-o-net people don't like anyone but themselves. Sad,
really sad....


                                        Bob
===
 * DeLuxe 1.26b #1134s * The TAO BBS - Mercerville,NJ - [phone]
 * The TAO BBS * Mercerville,NJ * [phone] * USR Dual Standard
 * PostLink(tm) v1.11  TAO (#1377) : RelayNet(tm)

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From: MUFUTAU TOWOBOLA                       Number: 1202
  To: JEFF BOWMAN                              Date: 05/30/94  4:41p
Subj: Pc & wm areas.bbs                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 |----------------------------|Jeff Bowman wrote
JB>You can use AREAS.BBS to change and then import them with WMUTIL. I
JB>think this is what he was wanting to accomplish
 |----------------------------|Mufutau Towobola replied

Thanks, just realized that. Jeff you may want to check your GoMail origin line,
your node address is showing-up twice, you need to take out the node address in
your GoMail Origin line definition because GoMail will append your Node address
to your origin line automatically.



...Field Marshal....Mufutau Towobola.... ... Who forgot to change the subject
when the topic changed?
===
 * TLX v4.00 *
 * * Systematic BBS, Bronx, NY * [phone] / 6341 * 14.4k *
 * PostLink(tm) v1.20 SYSTEMATIC (#5210) : RelayNet(tm)

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From: MUFUTAU TOWOBOLA                       Number: 1203
  To: JEFF BOWMAN                              Date: 05/30/94  4:53p
Subj: Postlink                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 |----------------------------|Jeff Bowman wrote
JB>Does anyone know if Rime has came out with POSTLINK for Wildcat 4
 |----------------------------|Mufutau Towobola replied

You mean UTI for Wildcat! v4.0? I heard that UTI will be made available by MSI
for WC!4 when it's released. Because Jim Metzler will not be upgrading his UTI
for WC! 4.


...Field Marshal....Mufutau Towobola.... ... Anyone can hold the helm when the
sea is calm.
===
 * TLX v4.00 *
 * * Systematic BBS, Bronx, NY * [phone] / 6341 * 14.4k *
 * PostLink(tm) v1.20 SYSTEMATIC (#5210) : RelayNet(tm)

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From: DAVE DENNETT                           Number: 1204
  To: TIM FIERRO                               Date: 05/30/94  2:49p
Subj: Why the security?                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

TF>still won't be able to export to anyone since he/she would not be
TF>an official node recognized by the network?  Mail may end up on a
TF>system, but useless unless the sysop joins the network.
TF>Can you expand on this on why it is necessary?

Partially, because the software author charges a $15 per year support fee in
order to upgrade the software used, and the network charges $15 per year also.
This is a good way to make sure that everyone that is getting the service from
the satellite pays up.   I dont know if the main purpose is that, or keeping
non-network systems from gaining access, but I agree, it would be quite useless
to carry Rime if you didnt export the mail back to the network.

===
 * CmpQwk 1.40b #111 * Ferret BBS * RIME * Throbnet * Smartnet * 10GB
 * Ferret BBS  N Little Rock AR  24K V.FC [phone]
 * PostLink(tm) v1.20 FERRET (#750) : RelayNet(tm)

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From: BONNIE ANTHONY                         Number: 1205
  To: MARTIN BELCKE                            Date: 05/31/94  4:16a
Subj: Re-zipping     <conto                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

MB>Whatever it was, it worked!  The message you quoted was readable.  Thank
MB>you for making the change in this conference, I, for one, appreciate it.

thanks for letting me know that it works better now Martin.
===
 * The Running Board *Bethesda, Md* 301-229-5623/5342
 * PostLink(tm) v1.20 RUNNINGA (#2) : RelayNet(tm)

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From: EDDIE MONEY                            Number: 1206
  To: JOHN HRUSOVSZKY                          Date: 05/31/94  3:28p
Subj: Linux                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello John!

Monday May 30 1994 00:52, John Hrusovszky wrote to All:

 JH> Help!  I have some of the linux files, but am also missing some, and not
 JH> sure which ones I am missing, or where to FREQ them.

 JH> What I currently have is:

 JH> LNXAP1.ZIP
 JH> LNXAP2.ZIP
 JH> LNXAP3.ZIP
 JH> LNXAP4.ZIP
 JH> LNXD1.ZIP
 JH> LNXD2.ZIP
 JH> LNXD3.ZIP
 JH> LNXD4.ZIP
 JH> LNXD5.ZIP
 JH> LNXD6.ZIP

 JH> (NOTE: I have all the parts of the above, a, b and c, where relevant).

 JH> Which ones am I missing, and where can I FREQ them at high speed?
 JH> Thanks much in advance.

John, here is what I have got so far. I think they should be freqable. I had
someone yesterday trying to freq some of them and I had forgot to put one of
the paths in the freq list. Hope that wasn't you. I think they are ok now. I
have a 28.8 modem, but the lines are so sorry here that I don't think that
anyone can connect more than 24,000...
See ya




LNXA1A.ZIP   Linux Disk A1-A (1 of 3)
LNXA1B.ZIP   Linux Disk A1-B (2 of 3)
LNXA1C.ZIP   Linux Disk A1-C (3 of 3)
LNXA2A.ZIP   Linux Disk A2-A (1 of 3)
LNXA2B.ZIP   Linux Disk A2-B (2 of 3)
LNXA2C.ZIP   Linux Disk A2-C (3 of 3)
LNXA3A.ZIP   Linux disk A3-A (1 of 3)
LNXA3B.ZIP   Linux disk A3-B (2 of 3)
LNXA3C.ZIP   Linux disk A3-C (3 of 3)
LNXAP1A.ZIP  Linux disk AP1-A (1 of 3)
LNXAP1B.ZIP  Linux disk AP1-B (2 of 3)
LNXAP1C.ZIP  Linux disk AP1-C (3 of 3)
LNXAP2A.ZIP  Linux disk AP2-1 (1 of 2)
LNXAP2B.ZIP  Linux disk AP2-B (2 of 2)
LNXAP3.ZIP   Linux Disk AP3 (1 of 1)
LNXAP4A.ZIP  Linux disk AP4-A (1 of 3)
LNXAP4B.ZIP  Linux disk AP4-B (2 of 3)
LNXAP4C.ZIP  Linux disk AP4-C (3 of 3)
LNXD1A.ZIP   Linux Disk D1-A (1 of 2)
LNXD1B.ZIP   Linux Disk D1-B (2 of 2)
LNXD2A.ZIP   Linux Disk D2-A (1 of 3)
LNXD2B.ZIP   Linux Disk D2-B (2 of 3)
LNXD2C.ZIP   Linux Disk D2-C (3 of 3)
LNXD3A.ZIP   Linux disk D3-A (1 of 3)
LNXD3B.ZIP   Linux disk D3-B (2 of 3)
LNXD3C.ZIP   Linux disk D3-C (3 of 3)
LNXD4.ZIP    Linux disk D4 (1 of 1)
LNXD5A.ZIP   Linux disk D5-A (1 of 3)
LNXD5B.ZIP   Linux disk D5-B (2 of 3)
LNXD5C.ZIP   Linux disk D5-C (3 of 3)
LNXD6A.ZIP   Linux disk D6-A (1 of 3)
LNXD6B.ZIP   Linux disk D6-B (2 of 3)
LNXD6C.ZIP   Linux disk D6-C (3 of 3)
READ_A1.PDN  Information/how-to create Disk A1 for linux installation
READ_A2.PDN  Information/how-to create Disk A2 for linux installation
READ_A3.PDN  Information/how-to create disk A3 of Linux installation
READ_AP1.PDN Information/How-to create disk AP1 for Linux distribution
READ_AP2.PDN Information/How-to create disk AP2 for Linux installation
READ_AP3.PDN How to create disk AP3 for Linux
READ_AP4.PDN Information/How-to create disk AP4 for Linux
READ_D1.PDN  Information/How-to create disk d1 for Linux
READ_D2.PDN  Information/How-to create disk d2 for Linux
READ_D3.PDN  Information/How-to create disk D3 for Linux
READ_D4.PDN  Information/How-to create disk D4 for Linux
READ_D5.PDN  Information/How-to create disk D5 for Linux
READ_D6.PDN  Informtation/How-to create disk D6 for Linux

Eddie

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From: SID BALCOM                             Number: 1207
  To: JERRY SHENK                              Date: 05/31/94  9:56p
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message of <May 29 19:08>, Jerry Shenk (1:105/285) writes:
 JS>>You fuss about Fido being a 'flaming network' and then you say something
 JS>>like this?  Come on, we're the new people on this network.  Personally
 JS>>I'd like to be able to come in here and ask questions of these old hands
 JS>>at pulling in a feed from the bird how they handle various problems.
 JS>>I'd like to know how to process TIC files.  I'd like to get advice on
 JS>>how they are handling USENET.  Comments like the above quote certainly
 JS>>don't endear us to them!  I'd much rather have friends than enemies!

        Thank you! At least ONE person in RIME has their head screwed on
straight!

++ Sid ++




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From: JEFF BALLARD                           Number: 1208
  To: ALL                                      Date: 05/30/94  1:46p
Subj: Message from Eric Patton                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


My apologizes to the users of this conference.  It seems that one of my
little trouble users decided to get into this conference and fill it with
trash (referring to the messages entered by Eric Patton at this address).

Rest assured the problem has been fixed.  He no longer has access to this
system period.

Again my apologizes.

Jeff Ballard
Sky-Net BBS
West Volusia Planet Connect


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From: MURRAY PLETSCH                         Number: 1209
  To: RANDY RILEY                              Date: 05/31/94  1:01p
Subj: Pc Usenet Files                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >->       VERY good question. How many people are using them? Is anyone
 >-> using them?

 > I use them too....have about 80% of the Groups set up for my
 > callers.

Hi Randy:
    Do you forward the Usenet messages to any downlinks?  One big question in
my mind is....if it takes 3 hours to get the Usenet messages and it takes an
hour or two to toss them and pack them up for downlinks....and they take the
entire dump, when do you get time to handle the fido mail and files, or do
you...?

Regards...Murray

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From: BILL ARLOFSKI                          Number: 1210
  To: JOHN HERRBACH                            Date: 05/30/94  9:50p
Subj: stuff                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >  GC> You mean you didn't know that some of the "dongles" were
 >  GC> imported from the old country where they are made by the wee
 > GC> people?  Why else would they be called "donegals"?  <GRIN>
 >
 > Seems to me I recall reading somewhere that DONGLE was named for
 > the guy who invented it?

yeah, Don Gall was what I had read... In PC Mag or something like that...

Bill Arlofski
Reverse Polarity BBS

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From: BILL ARLOFSKI                          Number: 1211
  To: JERRY SHENK                              Date: 05/31/94  7:24p
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > I'd like to get advice on how they are handling
 > USENET.

Me too...

:)

Bill Arlofski
Reverse Polarity BBS

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From: JIM MITCHELL                           Number: 1212
  To: ALL                                      Date: 05/31/94  6:17p
Subj: usenet                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

  There was at one time talk of passing usenet groups over planet connect..
What became of this?


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From: DAN COOK                               Number: 1213
  To: BONNIE ANTHONY                           Date: 05/29/94 12:38a
Subj: Your quotes ARE messed up...            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 BA> SB        It would be nice if your software would
 BA> do quotes properly so SBthat we can follow the
 BA> conversations better.

 BA> I'll keep that in mind, although you are the first
 BA> person who ever complained about my "quotes" being
 BA> improperly done.

Bonnie, your quotes _are_ messed up.  Above I have quoted you quoting Sid in
your reply to him.  Note the SB and the imbedded SB in the middle of the
paragraph.  All your messages with quotes are comming through that way.
They're almost unreadable.  Perhaps this only appears this way on the FidoNet
side.  If no one is complaining, perhaps they're just being polite.

- Dan

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From: ELVIS HARGROVE                         Number: 1214
  To: GARY CRAIN                               Date: 05/30/94  5:26a
Subj: Showing Your Ignorance                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

*@ORIGIN :BOO!  Board Of Occult  McAllen Tx.                          N
-> You mean you didn't know that some of the "dongles" were imported from the
-> old country where they are made by the wee people?  Why else would they be
-> called "donegals"?  <GRIN>

Jeese NO!  I din't know that!  Guess I'm showing my iggorance....

Actually I thought it was becasue ours DANGLES behind our PC computer.

The auld contry eh?  Amazin!

^..^
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From: ELVIS HARGROVE                         Number: 1215
  To: RANDY EDWARDS                            Date: 05/30/94  5:48a
Subj: Signal Degradation                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

*@ORIGIN :BOO!  Board Of Occult  McAllen Tx.                          N
-> meant that it could be buried (U)nderground.  Tell me, was my hunch right
-> and is this a half-way decent cable or should I look forward to digging it
-> up soon?

Don't even worry about digging it up.  Just abandon it in place.  It AINT
underground cable and you might just as well start looking for some legitimate
RG-6 Direct Burial cable to replace it.  (Don't go to Radio Shack)
If you don't have a compadre at the local TV Cable company (Who doubtless has
access to hundreds of feet of scrap cable) go to a legitimate wholesale
electronic parts house or industrial installation company.

There'll be NO doubt in your mind when you find the real stuff because it has
the nastiest pooky-pooky inside you've ever contacted, and it'll be weeping out
the end of the cable. (It'll waterproof yer fingers, yer hair, yer rug, yer
wife's new dress....)

-> the dish the local Radio Shack guy was totally ignorant

You called it!

-> Sure made sense, but wasn't what I wanted to hear.

Well, look at it this way.  At least it was a cheap (relatively) lesson.

Good luck with your search for direct burial (Please use RG-6 and not 59.
Trust me!) cable at the TV Cable co.  They are generally generous with their
scrap.  (I always was.)

^..^
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From: ELVIS HARGROVE                         Number: 1216
  To: LARRY LABRANCHE                          Date: 05/30/94  5:55a
Subj: Re: International Genealo               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

*@ORIGIN :BOO!  Board Of Occult  McAllen Tx.                          N
-> I realize fido net can't do that, but 6+ months is really TOO LONG. -Larry
-> +-)

If it took you longer than two WEEKS you did something TERRIBLY wrong.

^..^
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From: ELVIS HARGROVE                         Number: 1217
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 05/30/94  6:06a
Subj: Lightning arrestor                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

*@ORIGIN :BOO!  Board Of Occult  McAllen Tx.                          N
-> work for a power provider for a while and you'll see what I mean.

I heard THAT, Todd.  Aint it amazin how many 'experts' pop up who've never even
been CLOSE to a lightning strike much less ever seen the results close up and
personal.

Lightning "Arrester" my aunt Hattie!  The most you can do is play
"traffic director".

^..^
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From: ELVIS HARGROVE                         Number: 1218
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 05/30/94  6:09a
Subj: Automation of Mail.                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

*@ORIGIN :BOO!  Board Of Occult  McAllen Tx.                          N
-> enough is it not?  If you have 16550's then conceivably 115200 is
-> achievable.

I've done 115K for years using 8250's  The $25 net runs at 115K flawlessly
using plain vanilla serial ports.  No reason DSZ shouldn't.

^..^
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From: ELVIS HARGROVE                         Number: 1219
  To: BOB WATSON                               Date: 05/30/94  6:17a
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

*@ORIGIN :BOO!  Board Of Occult  McAllen Tx.                          N
-> You Fido people just don't get it! It's hard to believe that such large
-> collection of people can all be so stupid! It is beyond belief.... ===

Gee thanks Bob.  I've been NEEDING someone to try out my twit filter!

-> * DeLuxe 1.26b #1134s * The TAO BBS - Mercerville,NJ - [phone] * The
-> TAO BBS * Mercerville,NJ * [phone] * USR Dual Standard * PostLink(tm)
-> v1.11  TAO (#1377) : RelayNet(tm)
-> --- DB 1.52-OS/2/001251
-> * Origin: Blue Lake Systems (1:105/285)

What kind of people are so stupid they have to have five lines to say BYE!?

^..^
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From: ELVIS HARGROVE                         Number: 1220
  To: DAN COOK                                 Date: 05/30/94  6:26a
Subj: Your quotes ARE messed up               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

*@ORIGIN :BOO!  Board Of Occult  McAllen Tx.                          N
-> side.  If no one is complaining, perhaps they're just being polite.

Who was even READING them?

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From: ELVIS HARGROVE                         Number: 1221
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 05/30/94  6:40p
Subj: Showing your ignorance                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

*@ORIGIN :BOO!  Board Of Occult  McAllen Tx.                          N
-> I bet you can't write a tsr that will save the data that is
-> written in the temp file.  Tell me where to freq it if you can.

Yer gonna have to hunt up your own TSR programmer.  I could care less.  It's an
exercise in futility as far as I'm concerned.

Your milage may vary.  Some folks get turned on by such projects.  Not me!

^..^
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From: ELVIS HARGROVE                         Number: 1222
  To: DENNIS POWERS                            Date: 05/30/94  6:48p
Subj: Showing your ignorance                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

*@ORIGIN :BOO!  Board Of Occult  McAllen Tx.                          N
-> The question is not how to circumvent the system but "why bother".

Right!  Although, Terry has a viable idea involving using his RAMdrive to store
the TMPfile, then copy it off to the hard drive.  THAT would be useful for
streamlining the FIDO operation, and will doubtless attract some programmer's
interest.
Doing it to intercept some OTHER network's files might interest the "Hacker
mentality" but it certainly holds no excitement for me.

As I told Terry, "Different strokes for different folks."  I just think it's
funny that everyone thinks it's "Impossible."  So was "undelete" in Dos 2.11.

^..^
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From: JEFF WARD                              Number: 1223
  To: JERRY SHENK                              Date: 05/31/94  9:11p
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >>You Fido people just don't get it! It's hard to believe that such large
 >>collection of people can all be so stupid! It is beyond belief....

 > You fuss about Fido being a 'flaming network' and then you say
 > something like this?  Come on, we're the new people on this
 > network.  Personally I'd like to be able to come in here and
 > ask questions of these old hands at pulling in a feed from the
 > bird how they handle various problems.  I'd like to know how to
 > process TIC files.  I'd like to get advice on how they are
 > handling USENET.  Comments like the above quote certainly don't
 > endear us to them!  I'd much rather have friends than enemies!

 Thanks for the kind words Jerry. I'm sure most everyone in here will be glad
to help you out in any way they can. At least we do see that there are folks in
RIME who want information on how this works. Welcome aboard!

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From: MAC BRYANT                             Number: 1224
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 05/30/94  9:14p
Subj: Re: U'NI Net                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

BG|> I can work with Joe on this. Are you sending out the mail bundle you
  |> pick up from Joe at 1:15am eastern the same day? If so, I will ask

BG|   Every day, same time, goes out at the 7:45 transfer. Sits on our system h
  |just for a few hours.

  I have talked to Joe and he will be in touch with you. Thanks, Boyd!
  Keep up the great work!

  .\\ac

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1225
  To: JOHN HRUSOVSZKY                          Date: 05/31/94  8:18p
Subj: Re: Re-zipping                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> 'Fare' I can understand, but fair?  :->


   I am not the best speller in the world!


...Boyd

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From: JIM CRAIG                              Number: 1226
  To: TONY GUADAGNOLO                          Date: 05/14/94  7:42p
Subj: Clinton                                 Refer: NONE
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TG>Although Clinton's programs are Socialistic, alot of people don't view
TG>way. It is true that the media does a vigorous job in smokescreening th
TG>public. Rush is truely the leading voice in clearing the picture and ce
TG>our input is helpful, but still a large portion of the liberal based pe
TG>just dismiss us as conservative fanatics, but the fight goes on. I cert
TG>won't give up.  As for family values, Clinton wouldn't know what that i
TG>only preaches about it now because his back is up against the wall. I g
TG>that Dan Quayle wasn't off the mark with his family value comments.

Rush is noting of the sort, he's a gutless, whimpy Republican conservative
ass kissing apologist. Quayle's approach to Family values has to be
predicated on his IQ which is somewhat less than that of a rat turd.  To be
a conservative, one must either be mentally defective, a skinhead, or
extremely wealth with out a conscience. Tony, which are you?


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From: JIM CRAIG                              Number: 1227
  To: BOB BLAYLOCK                             Date: 05/14/94  7:43p
Subj: Clinton                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Dave>  I don't know if you have noticed by the Democrats are starting D
BB>to talk about family values as a noble idea.  Yet Clinton Dave>  denoun
BB>them at the Democratic National Convention...go Dave>  figure that one.
BB>
BB>  It seems that the Democrats, and the Hollywood Left, have noticed, si
BB>their barrage of scorn and ridicule which they directed at "family valu
BB>that the public at large still holds these values in high esteem.  They
BB>figured that if they want to remain in good graces with the public, the
BB>must pay some amount of lip service to these values.
BB>
BB>
BB>  I sincerely hope that as future elections roll around, and those on t
BB>left promote themselves as champions of these values, that the public
BB>remembers which side was the real champion of these values, and which s
BB>responded by denigrating and mocking them in 1992.
BB>
BB>
BB>  If the voters remember 1992, then they will have no trouble distingui
BB>the real supporters of their values from the phony charlatans and sycop
BB>who voice insincere support for these values for no other purpose than
BB>pander to a public that they truly hold in contempt.
BB>   ...America Held Hostage:  Day 324

Family values as espoused by the Right wing mean absolute obedience to
republican values. The rest is utter conservative bull sh*t. Lets wait til
94 to watch the party of the rich and the neo nazi, the part of the Pat
Buchannan's, the Ronald Reagans, the Ollie Norths, the David Dukes, sink
further.

The damage done to the economy by RonBo, which bettered only the Mob and
the very Rich, may, if the average American is lucky preclude the
Republican party from 1) appointing another justice, 2) ever controlling
congress, or 3) ever again in my life occupying the White House. This is
the Party of the Isolationist, the Relegious Right, the Watergate, the
Teapot Dome, the Iran Contra, the surrender to the North Vietnamese, and
the party which is dictated by the very rich and the very greedy. How great
men like Lincoln, Teddy Rooseveldt, Rockafeller or Goldwater ever became
Republicans is beyond me.  Your party deserves the draft dodgers like
Chenny, Quayle, John Wayne, RonBo and your icon Ronald "the incompetent"
Reagan.


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From: JIM CRAIG                              Number: 1228
  To: ANONYMOUS                                Date: 05/14/94  7:43p
Subj: Sally Jessy Raph                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

RP> We're getting no help from the Liberal Media.

A >Haha..you..hee..think that...ho ho...the media...is..har.."LIBERAL?"

A >I suggest you read "Adventures in Medialand" by Jeff Cohen and Neil Sim
A >Mr. Peterson.

A >Looks like you and the rest of your conservative buddies have fallen ho
A >line, and sinker for THE BIG LIE...again, may I add.

You know the media became liberal when even people like the Hurst's printed
the truth about CRAP like Nixon, so he labeled. Yeah Right the media is
liberal. On Nixons death, the storys in the press on the editorial page ran
4 to one on Nixon's wonderfulness.  Yeah, about as wonderful as John Gotti,
with whom Reagan shares alot.


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From: JIM CRAIG                              Number: 1229
  To: AL MARTIN                                Date: 05/14/94  7:44p
Subj: What Rush doesn'                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


PT>What's this?  I thought Rush was the darling of all
PT>right-wingers; I never considered him as being on the
PT>"left-hand side of the right...."  I must say that I do not
PT>know who "Bo" or the "CFR super powerful media controllers"
PT>are. I would be suprised, though, if they were on the right
PT>but had differences of opinion with Rush.

AM>The right side has its share of extremists and Rush, being a conservati
AM>not part of nor represents that band.

AM>I've met James "Bo" Gritz during a campaign swing he made through Orego
AM>summer.  His campaign camper was parked at Multnomah Falls and I happen
AM>there at the same time.  One very strange individual and I can see why
AM>distances himself from the likes of Bo.

Yeah Rush distances himself, but miostly because Rush is a whimp and a
physical coward!


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From: JIM CRAIG                              Number: 1230
  To: AL MARTIN                                Date: 05/14/94  7:44p
Subj: "Automatic" guns                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

st lift by yourself.

AM>A Phalanx is just a tad bit overkill in home defense terms, but it
AM>certainly would be effective.  While doing some research for a book I'm
AM>writing, I had a chance to do an up-close and personal inspection of a
AM>Phalanx aboard a 378' Coast Guard cutter in Seattle.  Danged thing need
AM>liquid nitrogen to keep it cool while firing.  If you use depleated ura
AM>slugs like the tank killing A-10 Warthog, you could chew your way throu
AM>car full of drive-by thugs.  The Coastie officer who was my guide said
AM>mostly used scrap iron slugs.

Yeah, or right wing Fags like those who back Rush!


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From: JIM CRAIG                              Number: 1231
  To: PETE BUCY                                Date: 05/14/94  7:44p
Subj: "Automatic" guns                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 ja> Heck, forget that - what about the guy on the NY subway who killed
 ja> four people and wounded about 21 more?  In conformity to the laws
 ja> New York, none of the passengers were armed, and thus were forced
 ja> rely of the NYPD, which cannot possibly be everywhere at once.  If
 ja> just one of the passengers was carrying a firearm, maybe that cree
 ja> wouldn't have had the chance to reload his 9mm auto-pistol twice.
 ja> course, the media is going to find that the creep went to a gun-st
 ja> with a crooked dealer and walked out and shot a bunch of innocent
 ja> people.  If not, they'll find a way to use this against us.

PB>    I have always said that the liberals are nothing more than
PB>    lobbyists for the criminals. They don't want honest citizens
PB>    to have guns, only the criminals. If ever person on that train
PB>    had a hand gun, that useless piece of human garbage would have
PB>    been on a suicide mission. Instead he will be found mentally
PB>    incompetent to stand trial. He will then go to a mental
PB>    hospital only to be released in a few years after he is
PB>    'cured.'

In that case, the liberals would be lobbiests for the Reagan
administration, and for the Rush lovers. The liberals are a very small
minority of the American population, but a larger minority than the kind of
ignorant conservative whose opinion above is basically stupid.

The trouble is the moderates such as myself ARE the majority, and find both
of the sides loaded with the ignorant and the preverse, and the violent!
Rush is a man of minor mentality who makes a living by voicing the
neo-facist line. Only in America would an assho*e like him be tolerated.

Unfortunately if all the Americans were Armend all the time, Rush and his
ilk would be wasted as would the Teddy Kennedys. It's what makes America
exciting, listening to conservative crap, and piss*ng them off by nott
agreeing!  So go wet yourselves oh you of insignificant mentalitys!




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From: CHRIS ROSS                             Number: 1232
  To: RANDY EDWARDS                            Date: 05/29/94  1:32p
Subj: Re: Signal Degradation                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >   This is something I've wondered about.  When it was time to buy my coax
 >for the dish the local Radio Shack guy was totally ignorant as to whether
 >the cable could be buried or not -- he told me something like, "Sure, you
 >can bury it.  After all, being buried it'll be more protected than if it
 >was above ground."  Sure made sense, but wasn't what I wanted to hear.

       If your going to bury cable its always better to run it through 1/2
inch flexible PCV piping, and seal both ends with a good quality silicone to
keep the water out.

       This is what we always do when installing submersible well pumps in the
country.

 Chris

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From: MARTIN BELCKE                          Number: 1233
  To: JOHN HRUSOVSZKY                          Date: 05/31/94  9:49p
Subj: Re: Re-zipping                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->  MB> Well, I didn't want to milk the point, but thank you for
->  MB> clarifying ;->
->
-> Cheeze, Martin, don't you give up?  :-D

Nahhh.   Just thought I would try and divert some of the threads in here
and give a little 2% humor to break the monotony of reading 5 page
disertations and flames.

Now if I had really wanted to streatch the point, I could have said that
the udder disaster could result in a titillating experience, but I
wouldn't want to be accused of pulling anyones leg, errr...........

--Martin--

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From: JOHN HRUSOVSZKY                        Number: 1237
  To: CHUCK GUSTAFSON                          Date: 05/31/94  9:53p
Subj: Re: Signal Degradation                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 RE>> Either way, I want to have some decent cable in the ground here
 RE>> before winter.  Our winters are pretty bad, with 40-45 below zero
 RE>> (F) not uncommon.  I sure don't want to be worrying about the
 RE>> cable with four feet of snow on top of the ground.

 RE>>    So, you think the stuff I should track down is RG-6/UG, eh?

 CG> As an engineer who has had to bury various type of coaxial
 CG> cable for many years, the proper way is (especially if your
 CG> winters are really 40 below):
 CG> Dig trench 4 feet deep.

Disagree, Sir.  While I'm not an engineer, (at least I don't have that
fancy piece of paper with my name on it <G>), I have buried a LOT of
cable in my 15 years of experience, and can assure you that in areas of
the country where the temperature gets to 40 below Zero, 4' deep is NOT
below the frost line (if that is what you are alluding to).  We've had
water pipes at 6' freeze during cold winters.

 CG>  Use either 1 1/2" PVC tubing or PVC plastic pipe.  If using PVC
 CG>  plastic pipe, make sure you use the 90 degree sweep elbows that
 CG>  the electricians use rather than the sharp elbows that plumbers
 CG>  use to bring the pipe back to the surface.

Good advice (although I don't agree with having to dig below frost, or
even 4' deep ... 1 foot deep is more than enough if he is to place it
inside PVC pipe).  By the time that the pipe breaks or anything due to
heaving, this technology will be replaced long ago and we'll be using
fiber or some such thing <G>.

 CG>  To waterproof the above ground ends when you are done, stuff some
 CG>  wire back into the tubing so you have some slack to pull, then wad
 CG>  up some soft paper (such as facial tissue) around the wires and
 CG>  stuff it in the pipe so that it's about 1/2 inch below the end.
 CG>  Seal with silicone caulk.

Very much disagree with this, Chuck.  The PVC pipe _WILL_ condensate
unless you leave BOTH ends open so it can 'breathe'.  Instead of sealing
the ends, install 2 sweep elbows on the end, to make the part sticking
out of the ground look like a cane, and then leave that last elbow wide
open.  The opening will be facing down, no rain will be able to get in
it, yet the pipe will still be able to 'breathe'.

 CG> A lot of work, but that's the best way.  Of course I didn't
 CG> follow my own advice here at home.  <grin>   I just used the
 CG> direct burial TVRO cable (2 RG-6/motor power/position
 CG> sensor/polarotor) and shoved it down into a
 CG> slit made by a spade.  It's buried about 4 inches.  It's worked
 CG> for many years without a problem.

Now that's a man of reason <G>.  And I also suspect that your direct
burial TVRO cable does not really contain flooded 6U, does it? (Mine
never has).

--jah

... Union Labor -- Doin' the Least for the Most.
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From: FOXY FERGUSON                          Number: 1238
  To: MARTIN BELCKE                            Date: 05/31/94  6:28a
Subj: Re-Zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

MB>Semantics.  In Fidonet there are over 26,000 nodes.  A single node is a
MB>single address.  In the Internet there are, because of the way the
MB>addressing is done, several million addresses.  Each "user" has their
MB>own unique address.  In terms of Fidonet style addressing, they would
MB>each be a node, therefor several million nodes in Internet.  I have
MB>several thousand members of my bbs.

I know of some Fido nodes whose userbase runs as high or higher. Heck,
there's a coupla pay boards here in town that average several thousand
user calls per day: I'm a member of one but I only call 'bout every
other month, if that often!

My own BBS userbase is relatively small, but that may be because I have
deliberately aimed at a small segment of the modeming public, have only
been a public BBS for a little over a year, and religiously clean the
chaff out of the userbase.

Because of the fundamental difference in addressing schemes between
Fido and fido-style nets and the Internet, any such comparison of node
numbers is like comparing apples to lizards.

MB>My point was that the Internet is even larger than Fidonet, thus, using
MB>the same logic used above, Internet should be Planet Connects' first
MB>priority as they have a MUCH larger user base than Fidonet or RIME.

Methinks your point may be "Unproven", Martin. Fidonet style addressing
(or RIME or GT Net or...) hides the true number of it's userbase
*because* of those fundamental differences between Internet and Fido
style addressing.


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From: FOXY FERGUSON                          Number: 1239
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 05/31/94  6:43a
Subj: Re: Re-Zipping                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

BG>> like this. One where 26,000 SysOps all have equal privilege to pound on
BG>> Boyd's head whenever they want.

BG>   Well time to get the crash helmet out!

I can loan you mine: it just survived the bashing over our net's new
echomail policy.  <BG>


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From: FOXY FERGUSON                          Number: 1240
  To: JOHN HERRBACH                            Date: 05/31/94  6:39a
Subj: Showing Your Ignorance                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JH> BA>>and then deleting it?  The donegal doesn't prevent the files
JH> BA>>from arriving

JH> EH>> Tee hee!  Foxy, if I can learn to type "because" surely Bonnie
JH> EH>> can learn to type DONGLE.

JH> GC> You mean you didn't know that some of the "dongles" were
JH> GC> imported from the old country where they are made by the wee
JH> GC> people?  Why else would they be called "donegals"?  <GRIN>

JH>Seems to me I recall reading somewhere that DONGLE was named for the
JH>guy who invented it?

Heck if I know. It's as good a way as any of naming a whatchamacallit.

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From: FOXY FERGUSON                          Number: 1241
  To: BOB SLOWINSKI                            Date: 05/31/94  6:28p
Subj: Test                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

BS>after some problems, just wondering if I am now making the trip?

yep. it gets more interesting from here on out.... ;-)


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From: TIM HELTON                             Number: 1242
  To: BOB WATSON                               Date: 06/02/94  9:19p
Subj: Not the phone company                   Refer: 1199
Read: NO                                    Private: No

-> Yet another warm and welcome reply from a fight-o-net person. Why doe
-> that you all have to always be hostile? Is it your nets way of life o

Bob (and everybody else), please end this thread... It's been beaten to
death and it has nothing to do with the Planet Connect service.

tim
moderator
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From: TIM HELTON                             Number: 1243
  To: JIM CRAIG                                Date: 06/02/94  9:30p
Subj: Clinton                                 Refer: 1226
Read: NO                                    Private: No

-> Rush is noting of the sort, he's a gutless, whimpy Republican conserv
-> ass kissing apologist. Quayle's approach to Family values has to be
-> predicated on his IQ which is somewhat less than that of a rat turd.
-> a conservative, one must either be mentally defective, a skinhead, or
-> extremely wealth with out a conscience. Tony, which are you?

Foul! You're off topic and your political views are wrong.  EOT.

tim
moderator
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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1244
  To: FOXY FERGUSON                            Date: 06/01/94  8:17p
Subj: Re: Re-Zipping                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> I can loan you mine: it just survived the bashing over our net's new
> echomail policy.  <BG>

   But would it hold up to 26,000?

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1245
  To: RODNEY D. MYERS                          Date: 06/01/94  8:19p
Subj: Re: Thanks                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Thanks foryour reply concerning ARC vs. Zip of the nodediff.

   Did I reply to you about that? Man am I getting goooooddddd. ;-)


...Boyd

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From: SCOTT MCNAY                            Number: 1246
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 06/01/94  1:21a
Subj: Showing your ignorance                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Terry!

EH> No, and we won't tell anybody different, since any competent
EH> TSR programmer knows just how easy it IS!

TB> I bet you can't write a tsr that will save the data that is
TB> written in the temp file.  Tell me where to freq it if you
TB> can. I want to set up my ram drive as the drive for the temp
TB> holding drive for the !!!ST!!!.!!! file and then copy it to
TB> my hard drive under a different name every time a new file
TB> comes in.

Anyone with a reasonable grasp of assembler, the essentials of TSRs, and access
to a DOS function reference would be able to write such a thing.  The problem
with doing what you want is that it would likely take so long to copy the file
to the HD that you would probably miss the beginning of the next file.  This,
in turn, could be bypassed by hooking the timer interrupt and copying the file
in the background.  Using such a program, written specifically to bypass what
there is of PC's security, might be construed as a violation of your contract,
though.

f--Scott.

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From: TIM FIERRO                             Number: 1247
  To: WILLIAM SUTTER                           Date: 05/31/94  3:44p
Subj: Planet connect and pcboar               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

WS> @SUBJECT:Planet Connect and PcBoard                                  N I
would
WS> like to get advice from anyone using Planet Connect Satellite systems and
Pc
WS> Board.  I want to set up the system on my board and would like any advice
on
WS> the systema dn set-up on PcBoard 15.1.  Any help would be greatly
appreciated.

Feel free to call me at home [phone].  I am in Sumner, WA.

I run PCBoard as my bbs and have integrated the PC connection
into it all.  Works real well and I am quite pleased with it.

Get a list of your questions on paper and give me a call.


The Racer's Edge Network Delivery System * TRENDS! [phone]/939-7876

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From: TIM FIERRO                             Number: 1248
  To: ELVIS HARGROVE                           Date: 06/01/94  5:24p
Subj: Re: International Genealo               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

EH> *@ORIGIN :BOO!  Board Of Occult  McAllen Tx.                          N
EH> --- FidoPCB v1.5 beta-'j'
EH>  * Origin: BOO!  Board Of Occult, Rio Grande Valley Texas (1:397/6)

Hey Elvis, you don't need the ORIGIN information inside PCBoard.
Your tosser, FidoPCB will put it properly in your tagline area.
I know of no software, yet <g>, that can use that information
inside of PCBoard's configuration.  Just tossing out some
information for you, so take it however you want.  Some networks
frown on the extra baggage, others do not.


The Racer's Edge Network Delivery System * TRENDS! [phone]/939-7876

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From: TIM FIERRO                             Number: 1249
  To: ELVIS HARGROVE                           Date: 06/01/94  5:33p
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

EH> -> * DeLuxe 1.26b #1134s * The TAO BBS - Mercerville,NJ - [phone] *
The
EH> -> TAO BBS * Mercerville,NJ * [phone] * USR Dual Standard *
PostLink(tm)
EH> -> v1.11  TAO (#1377) : RelayNet(tm)
EH> -> --- DB 1.52-OS/2/001251
EH> -> * Origin: Blue Lake Systems (1:105/285)
EH>
EH> What kind of people are so stupid they have to have five lines to say BYE!?

A system that is in Rime and trying to use a FidoNet echo. <g>

It is a common problem when bridging differnt styles of networks
into one link.  You want to see some awesome stuff, visit the
CDC's Support Echo! <g>  It is available in most formats.


The Racer's Edge Network Delivery System * TRENDS! [phone]/939-7876

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From: JACK WILLIAMS                          Number: 1250
  To: BRIAN HESS                               Date: 06/01/94 12:10p
Subj: Re: software                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message to Jack Williams <05-31-94 22:31> Brian Hess wrote:

BH> What the file name and where can we Freq it???

Hi, Brian. I was just explaining to Lori Smith that my extraction software was
not written as shareware...and that if there was sufficient demand for it that
I would convert it to shareware.... It would take a bit of time to
convert--because I would have to incorporate a .cfg file for its use. I have
retained your name as having an interest in the software and await more
positive replies before undertaking to convert it.

I do use it daily and it performs flawlessly.....

Regards, Jack

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From: MICKEY FERGUSON                        Number: 1251
  To: JOHN HRUSOVSZKY                          Date: 06/01/94  9:53a
Subj: Re: Re-zipping                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

* In a message originally to Boyd Goodin, John Hrusovszky said:

JH>>> realm of Political Correctness :->
JH> BG>
JH> BG>   Have to be fare.

JH>'Fare' I can understand, but fair?  :->

Sometimes the fare is fair, sometimes the fare is unfair.  But either way you
still have to pay the toll. ;)

Mickey

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From: JIM TAYLOR                             Number: 1252
  To: JACK WILLIAMS                            Date: 05/31/94  2:39p
Subj: Question                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JW>Boyd: Please tell me when the FILEBONE.NA file is transmitted... and where i
JW>lands (in what subdirectory). I have been looking for it furtively...

With dos 5.x and up, just type

cd/
dir filebone.na /s


and let dos find the file for you.


 * JTEDIT 1.0 * If this were an actual tagline, it would be funny.


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From: JIM TAYLOR                             Number: 1253
  To: BOB SLOWINSKI                            Date: 05/31/94  2:45p
Subj: test                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

BS>after some problems, just wondering if I am now making the trip?

Nope, can't hear you can you speak up a little louder. :-)

Yep, you are making the trip to Cheyenne, wy

 * JTEDIT 1.0 * Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (P)anic


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From: GUY VANDELL                            Number: 1254
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 06/02/94 10:40a
Subj: Re: MDN Areas                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Dave Osborne wrote in a message to Daryl Turner:

DO> In a msg on <May 25 00:55>, Daryl Turner writes:

 DO> 2) MSDN has been discontinued because of lack of funding.

 DT>Does this mean the MSDN is completely dead, or just dead on this
 DT>side of the ocean?

DO> I read it as being dead dead.  However, I'm just passing
DO> info.

i have read that it's going strong on the other side of the ocean, but not over
here..

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From: TIM FIERRO                             Number: 1255
  To: ALL                                      Date: 06/01/94  7:01p
Subj: Sometimes you still have                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

*@SUBJECT:Sometimes you still have to delete them :)                  N
04053107 ZIP       178,577 05-31-94   4:33p

Just because you have ; K:\GARBAGE\NUL\

doesn't mean they won't still consume space on your hard
drive.  This thing arrived on my system and I had to manually
delete it's content off of my drive.

Maybe it was a fluke, or some nasty in the sky is forcing
me to receive this drivel again. :)  I thought I gave it up
a few years ago and would never have to worry about it, but
times do change and they found me!

So much for the security issue......
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From: MARTIN BELCKE                          Number: 1256
  To: BONNIE ANTHONY                           Date: 06/01/94  6:10p
Subj: Re-zipping     <conto                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> MB>Whatever it was, it worked!  The message you quoted was readable.
-> MB>you for making the change in this conference, I, for one, apprecia
->
-> thanks for letting me know that it works better now Martin.

You just can't let it stay can you (grin).  Now you have improved it
even better by having the initials appear instead of the blasted ->
that my software is stuck with.

Thanks, Bonnie..

--Martin--

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From: PATTY MORRIS                           Number: 1257
  To: JERRY SHENK                              Date: 05/31/94  9:55p
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Jerry Shenk wrote in a message to Sid Balcom:

JS> I'm gonna be using them as soon as I get things set up.  I'd
JS> like to drop USENET from my long distance uucp connection.

    Jerry, I was wondering what UUCP software and service you're using if you
don't mind telling.  I need to set up something to handle this here as well as
connect with a service to provide an uplink for return mail but when I tried to
read the fine manual(s) for some of the various softwares my eyes glazed over
and my brain hurt.  <g>

                      --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: CHUCK GUSTAFSON                        Number: 1258
  To: JOHN HRUSOVSZKY                          Date: 06/01/94  3:33p
Subj: Re: Signal Degradation                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On Tue 31-May-1994 21:53 thus spake John Hrusovszky unto Chuck Gustafson:

 JH> Good advice (although I don't agree with having to dig below frost, or
 JH> even 4' deep ... 1 foot deep is more than enough if he is to place it
 JH> inside PVC pipe).  By the time that the pipe breaks or anything due to
 JH> heaving, this technology will be replaced long ago and we'll be using
 JH> fiber or some such thing <G>.

Yeah, but if you do it right, you can pull other wires into the pipe.  If the
pipe is heaved, etc by frost you might not be able to pull new ones in.  By the
way, I forgot to mention the 6 inches of sand in the bottom of the trench and
also above the pipe.  (You can tell a consulting engineer in here can't you?)

 CG>> To waterproof the above ground ends when you are done, stuff some
 CG>> Seal with silicone caulk.
 JH> Very much disagree with this, Chuck.  The PVC pipe _WILL_ condensate

I can only say that those are the specs I have been given in the past.  We've
installed things that way and in 20 years have not had a failure.

 CG>> slit made by a spade.  It's buried about 4 inches.  It's worked
 CG>> for many years without a problem.

 JH> Now that's a man of reason <G>.  And I also suspect that your direct
 JH> burial TVRO cable does not really contain flooded 6U, does it? (Mine
 JH> never has).

No, it's definitely NOT flooded...but I know where I can get some if I need
it... all I have do do is ask an old boss of mine.

Chuck

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From: CHUCK GUSTAFSON                        Number: 1259
  To: FOXY FERGUSON                            Date: 06/01/94  3:44p
Subj: Re: Re-Zipping                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On Tue 31-May-1994 06:43 thus spake Foxy Ferguson unto Boyd Goodin:

 FF> I can loan you mine: it just survived the bashing over our net's new
 FF> echomail policy.  <BG>

Everybody want's everything for nothing....right?

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From: JOHN DONOHUE                           Number: 1260
  To: JIM WATSON                               Date: 05/31/94 10:39a
Subj: Re: MDN Areas                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JW>Daryl Turner wrote in a message to Dave Osborne:

DT> Does this mean the MSDN is completely dead, or just dead on
DT> this side of the ocean?

JW>Duncan told me in netmail that it was "discontinued due to lack of fina
JW>support".  From the way he said it, and considering the pull of all are
JW>even from the .NO file, I'd say it's "dead" -:)


JW>--- timEd-A10c
What are the Tags for the MSDN file areas? (if it's dead, I wanna weed
my setup)
Thanks!



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From: JOHN DONOHUE                           Number: 1261
  To: MIKE LESTER                              Date: 05/31/94 10:41a
Subj: Re: Showing Your Ignorance              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

ML>Gary Crain wrote in a message to Elvis Hargrove:

GC> people?  Why else would they be called "donegals"?  <GRIN>

ML>   Looks almost sexist if you ask me, shouldn't that be donpersons?

ML>--- [e-mail]
Nah, they be "done-colleens". This is beginning to sound like that line
from "Blazing Saddles";
"But we DON'T want the Irish!"
;-)



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From: MARK ADKINS                            Number: 1262
  To: WILLIAM SUTTER                           Date: 06/01/94 10:34p
Subj: Planet connect and pcboar               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

WS> systems and Pc Board.  I want to set up the system on my board and
WS> would like any advice on the systema dn set-up on PcBoard 15.1.  Any
WS> help would be greatly appreciated.

I'm running PCBoard 15.1 on a LANtastic LAN with 5 nodes. What would you
like to know?

How many nodes do you have? What Network(s) do you belong to or are
planning on joining?

Do you plan on pulling down the Usenet feed and posting it on your
system?

It's easier if you ask questions that we can answer for you.

  1. It works.

  2. It works well.

  3. It's cheaper than AT&T - Sprint - MCI - Reach In Pocket Inc..

  4. Did I say it works well? <G>

First off you're going to have to upgrade to Postlink 1.20 if you are
planning on receiving RIME.

If you plan on becoming a member of Fido Net you'll need a Fido Net node
number and software. I use D'Bridge as a mailer and I've been playing
with InterEcho as a tosser. It will toss directly into PCB 15.1's
message bases. They also have a mailer called InterMail.

If you are thinking of taking Usenet you'll need either PCBuucp or
uucPCB (two different authors and different programs) which will
import/export from your PCB conferences.

Have you given any thought to the type of satellite hardware Ku Band or
C-Band? Ku Band uses a 2, 3 or 4 foot dish and is mainly for data. Very
few TV shows are sent out over the Ku Satellites. C-Band uses a larger
dish, 7 1/2 foot to 12 foot and you can also receive TV stations with
it. You'll most likely have to get a subscription package along with a
decoder box for most of the TV stations.

I have the 3 foot Ku system and it works very well. Before you jump into
this you should know that you are going to miss a file from time to
time. Usually all of the files are sent out 3 times per day or 3 cycles
per day. Some days there are 3 1/2 to 4 cycles per day, all depending on
the amount of data that Usenet or Fido Net has message wise or how many
files are being send from FDN along with the other networks that are
part of Planet Connect and the amount of traffic that they have.

If you can setup a dedicated computer for the satellite you should not
have many problems with missed files. Even being on the satellite
receiving 24 hours a day you're going to miss a file now and then. If
this would upset you then this is something to think about now.

The people at Planet Connect do a fantastic job and put up with a lot to
get everything out for everyone but they can't control a plane or bird
interfering with your signal.

There are a lot of very sharp people in this echo that belong to
different networks and I'm sure they're more than willing to help answer
questions about their network(s).

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From: MARK ADKINS                            Number: 1263
  To: BOB WATSON                               Date: 06/01/94 10:43p
Subj: Not the phone company                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

BW> Yet another warm and welcome reply from a fight-o-net person. Why
BW> does it seems that you all have to always be hostile?

Bob how about giving it a rest okay? Everyone has gotten their licks in
and now that the name calling and the 'I'm better than you are' and 'no
you're not' 'yes I am' 'no you're not' and on and on and on is out lets
get on to more productive things.

This is an information Conference/Echo and not the Flame
Conference/Echo. If you want the Flame Echo request it please.

I see you're running Postlink 1.11. Are you planning on getting a
satellite system? Do you have any questions about the satellite hardware
or something constructive that you'd like to share with all of us?

Mark
RIME CH

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From: BOB WATSON                             Number: 1264
  To: EDDIE MONEY                              Date: 05/31/94  3:00p
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

EM>its hard to believe that one non-fido person can be so stupid. YOU!

Just goes to show you just how smart I am! I'm NOT a fido person!
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From: BOB WATSON                             Number: 1265
  To: DENNIS MAIDON                            Date: 05/31/94  3:00p
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

DM>If she is not happy with the way Planet Connect operates, let here start
DM>her own uplink outfit.  At least my life will be more enjoyable.

No, she has the right to come in here and voice her opinion, just like
everyone else. Those who don't like it can go elsewhere. You, as a fido
person, have no extra rights over anyone else in here, even though you
think you do!


                                        Bob
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From: BOB WATSON                             Number: 1266
  To: JOHN HRUSOVSZKY                          Date: 05/31/94  3:00p
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JH>Stupid?  I believe it is _YOU_, sir, that just passed the duck test.

Talk about stupid!
---
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 * The TAO BBS * Mercerville,NJ * [phone] * USR Dual Standard
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From: BOB WATSON                             Number: 1267
  To: JERRY SHENK                              Date: 05/31/94  3:00p
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JS>You fuss about Fido being a 'flaming network' and then you say something
JS>like this?  Come on, we're the new people on this network.  Personally
JS>I'd like to be able to come in here and ask questions of these old hands
JS>at pulling in a feed from the bird how they handle various problems.
JS>I'd like to know how to process TIC files.  I'd like to get advice on
JS>how they are handling USENET.  Comments like the above quote certainly
JS>don't endear us to them!  I'd much rather have friends than enemies!

So would I, but you will never get it from their side. I'm getting sick
and tired of coming in here each day and seeing them trash and spit at
us. Wake up! You will never get any respect from the fido people in here
as long as you are one of the "RIME" people. Very sad display on their
part. Yes, I will bash back if someone bashes me first, and they are
always the first to start bashing. I have as much right to be here as
they do and if they don't like it....you get the idea.



                                        Bob
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 * The TAO BBS * Mercerville,NJ * [phone] * USR Dual Standard
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From: BOB WATSON                             Number: 1268
  To: ERIC PATTON                              Date: 05/31/94  3:00p
Subj: My penis is sore from bei               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

EP>If anyone out there will be my special friend call
EP>me at (xxx)xxx-xxxx. By the way Jeff, Wolverine says your a fat son
EP>of a bitch.


EP>--- Intermail/Fastecho/Proboard 2
EP> * Origin: Sky-Net BBS - Deltona,Fl [407-574-0670] 3 Nodes (1:3618/12)

Oh, this has everything to do with satellites!
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From: BOB WATSON                             Number: 1269
  To: ERIC PATTON                              Date: 05/31/94  3:00p
Subj: Penis'                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

EP>Jeff, you *ucking suck dick. Why don't we ,ake plans to see eachother
EP>some time. Call me at (xxx)xxx-xxxx


EP>--- Intermail/Fastecho/Proboard 2
EP> * Origin: Sky-Net BBS - Deltona,Fl [407-574-0670] 3 Nodes (1:3618/12)

Another crack from the peanut gallary!
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From: BOB WATSON                             Number: 1270
  To: MARTIN BELCKE                            Date: 05/31/94  3:00p
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

MB>on PLanet Connect.  They are trying to serve all networks on the
MB>satellite, not just one.  Fidonet is no more important than RIME or any
MB>other network, we are just one of many networks on the satellite.

Thank you very much for your point of view. At least someone in here has
a grasp on reality. Thanks for speaking up!


                                        Bob
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From: BOB WATSON                             Number: 1271
  To: MARK ADKINS                              Date: 05/31/94  3:00p
Subj: Re-zipping     <conto                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

MA>I don't know what everyone's software settings are and now many columns
MA>per line they are setup for and not all software imports messages making
MA>the message look the same on everyone's system. Time will tell if I have
MA>to change yet another setting and I won't know unless I receive
MA>feedback.

How does the above quote look Mark?


                                        Bob
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From: BOB WATSON                             Number: 1272
  To: ERIC PATTON                              Date: 05/31/94  3:00p
Subj: You suck i am goin to kic               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

EP>Comeon you big pussy, you think your so big and bad? If you really think
EP>you
EP>can take me on, on monday come on and even try to hurt me with my back
EP>turned. You better not try to get me up the butt you queer son of a
EP>bitch.
EP>So, how was your mother last night?


Come on guy! Why must you post this crap in this conference? We do not
care about your sexual conduct!
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From: BOB WATSON                             Number: 1273
  To: ERIC PATTON                              Date: 05/31/94  3:00p
Subj: Your pussy of a girlfrien               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

EP>your girlfriend was great when i was with her. i loved rocking her. you
EP>can't
EP>compare to me youy pussy!  i plan on taking her back!


Go away!
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From: BONNIE ANTHONY                         Number: 1274
  To: ROBERT HILGAR                            Date: 06/01/94  3:38a
Subj: Quoting                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

RH> Your method of quoting is horrible! Why don't you choose a more
RH> intelligent editor? It's bad enough having to read all this trash about
RH> your tiny little network, but when I have to decrypt your quoting it
RH> becomes outright annoying. Please fix it!

My editor was not the problem.  The problem was that my quoting symbol
could not be handled by the software in use on your network.  I have
changed my quoting symbol for this conference so that it would cease
to be a problem for anyone.

RH        Oh, and also, for the millionth time, it is a DONGLE, _NOT_ a
RHDONEGAL!!

I have seen it written both ways so thank you for telling me which way
is the correct way to spell it.
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From: JEFF BOWMAN                            Number: 1275
  To: JASON BUCHANAN                           Date: 06/01/94 12:04a
Subj: PacketSorter - RAR Compre               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JB--)The new release of PacketSorter is a WINNER!  If you don't have it, you
JB--)should. It is a lot faster with a LOT more features.

JB--)Also, if you haven't tried using the RAR compressor, you should try it too
JB--)It is just as fast as ZIP but has compression that is quite a bit better.


JB--)File-request from 286/2 (28800) or 286/702 (H16/V32B)

JB--)PacketSorter 1.4 - PSRT_14.ZIP
JB--)RAR Compressor   - RAR1_402.EXE
JB--)RAR English docs - RAR1402C.EXE - Unless you read Russian, get this file..

will this sort by AREA TAGS
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From: RODNEY D. MYERS                        Number: 1276
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 06/01/94  6:21a
Subj: Networks and forwarding                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd,

Can you tell which file(s) contain a list of networks that can/cannot
be forwarded to downlinks?

Thanks.

Rodney Myers

... They say the wages of sin is death. I wish you'd get paid!
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From: RODNEY D. MYERS                        Number: 1277
  To: ALL                                      Date: 06/01/94  6:26a
Subj: uuPCB & PC-Board 15.* query             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Could someone that has uuPCB, Planet Connect (Obvious), and PC-Board
15.* give a bit of advice on getting uuPCB to import the usesnet
packets into PCboard.

Thanks.

Rodney Myers

... "Dammit, Jim! I'm a doctor, not a doc...Oh, oh yeah."
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From: BILL WERELEY                           Number: 1278
  To: ALL                                      Date: 05/31/94  8:18p
Subj: Am I all alone......                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Am I alone in the Universe or is anyone reading this?  I've seen tons of
outgoing replies from here, but have yet to get a reply TO someone here,
whether it be netmail or in an echo.  I'm truly beginning to doubt that
PC is filling the bill.........

R.S.V.P., anyone?  Please?  P l e a s e ? ? ?


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From: JOHN HRUSOVSZKY                        Number: 1279
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 06/01/94 10:36p
Subj: Re: Re-zipping                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

>> 'Fare' I can understand, but fair?  :->
 BG>
 BG>    I am not the best speller in the world!

Just a little ribbin', Boyd, nothing personal.

--jah

... Union Labor -- Doin' the Least for the Most.
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From: JOHN HRUSOVSZKY                        Number: 1280
  To: JIM CRAIG                                Date: 06/01/94 10:36p
Subj: Re: Clinton                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 JC> Rush is noting of the sort, he's a gutless, whimpy Republican
 JC> conservative ass kissing apologist.

Boy are YOU wrong.  Rush is a diversionary tactic for people to vent
their steam upon.  He is used to keep our eyes off of the true horrors
that are occuring in our society, to the Bill of Rights, and to our
Constitution.

 JC> Quayle's approach to Family values has to be predicated on his
 JC> IQ which is somewhat less than that of a rat turd.

Please quote your sources for such an imbecilic statement.

 JC> To be a conservative, one must either be mentally defective, a
 JC> skinhead, or extremely wealth with out a conscience.

Oh, I see....you are of the politically correct, government teat-sucking
crowd, eh?

--jah

... Quoth the Raven ... "Eat my Shorts!"
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From: JOHN HRUSOVSZKY                        Number: 1281
  To: JIM CRAIG                                Date: 06/04/94  2:45p
Subj: Re: Clinton                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Wrong again.  You're batting 1000 hear.  You play for the Cubs?

Jim, this is the Planet Connect echo.  Please stay on topic.

tim
moderator
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From: JOHN HRUSOVSZKY                        Number: 1282
  To: JIM CRAIG                                Date: 06/01/94 10:36p
Subj: Re: Sally Jessy Raph                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 JC> You know the media became liberal when even people like the
 JC> Hurst's printed the truth about CRAP like Nixon, so he labeled.
 JC> Yeah RIght the media is liberal. On Nixons death, the storys in
 JC> the press on the editorial page ran 4 to one on Nixon's
 JC> wonderfulness.  Yeah, about as wonderful as John Gotti, with whom
 JC> Reagan shares alot.

 JC>  * WR  [NR] * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY

        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

You're a liberal, government teat-sucker who thinks everyone else should
pay your way, eh?

--jah

... You're a Few Fries Short of a Happy Meal!
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From: DAVE PETRUCCI                          Number: 1283
  To: 1:3601/14                                Date: 06/01/94 11:55p
Subj: Garbage                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

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Just wanted to let the sysop of 1:3601/14 know that the
last three messages posted from your system were all
garbled...
Dave P.

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Subj: T╜xi├1εezjo7/a8tµ∞o¢°                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

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From: 3-001030.01W 12231010.$P2              Number: 1285
  To: 00M 12231011.$P23-0020C                 Date: 01/12/31  1:12a
Subj: 020.$p23-0030hk.0af 122                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

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From: N.L. HARGROVE                          Number: 1286
  To: ROY TIMBERMAN                            Date: 05/31/94  4:07p
Subj: Re: International Genealo               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <May 28 19:30>, Roy Timberman of 1:280/[e-mail] writes:

LL>>day, I realize fido net can't do that, but 6+ months is really
LL>>TOO LONG.

 RT> LONG time?  You've got to be kidding...   This is a hobby.  In

I am a NC and NEC and I have heard this bull for to long.  I can assign a Node
NUMBER over the phone if I want to and know the system is operational.  I have
assinged node numbers in less than a minute while on the phone (voice) with the
individual.  While yes it does no get posted to the net nodelist until the
following friday (maybe) assignement of node numbers and getting connected to
fidonet echomail and net mail can be done in less than a minute.  So do not let
anyone bull you into thinking differently.


The Digital Media Publisher
N.L. (Jake) Hargrove
ReaderSoft Software

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From: N.L. HARGROVE                          Number: 1287
  To: ROY TIMBERMAN                            Date: 05/31/94  4:11p
Subj: FidoNet Mail Delivery                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <May 29 07:44>, Roy Timberman of 1:280/[e-mail] writes:


 RT> If you have had a delivery problem... and it sounds like you
 RT> did... then you need to get it fixed.  You don't need to condemn

Some people just have problems.  I have been a member of Fidonet since nodes
500 and 501 were added to the nodelist way back in 1985.  An in that 9 years of
 continuious ONLINE time, except for 7 days in 1988 when I moved to Albuquerque
NM.  I can count the number of times I have missed a mail run from a direct
connection to the BACKBONE and REC on my left hand.

1.  The most recent when the REC15 passed away.  I was without mail for exactly
1 day.  And actually I got all of that the next day.

2.  In 1989 when the whole damn world lost telephone connections for 6 hours.

3.  In 1990 when my system was down for 24 hours because I was on a road trip
and the drive filled up.

So excuses aside, problems do and have occured but not in the magnitude of what
some want to complain about.  An if forming other networks is there thing then
I say let them go.


The Digital Media Publisher
N.L. (Jake) Hargrove
ReaderSoft Software

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From: N.L. HARGROVE                          Number: 1288
  To: BOB WATSON                               Date: 06/01/94  4:44p
Subj: Your whining                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <May 30 19:53>, Bob Watson of 1:105/285 writes:

 BW> get the feeling in here that the fight-o-net people don't like
 BW> anyone but themselves. Sad, really sad....

Bob, that is FidoNet and don't you ever forget it.  RIME people fight just as
much as anyone else and that IS THE TRULY SAD Part.  Attitudes like that is
what prolongs any possile comming together of latitudes.



The Digital Media Publisher
N.L. (Jake) Hargrove
ReaderSoft Software

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From: JEFF BROWN                             Number: 1289
  To: ERIC PATTON                              Date: 06/01/94  6:52p
Subj: Re: Your pussy of a girlfriend          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On Sun 29-May-1994  4:34p, Eric Patton said to Ean Meyer:
EP> your girlfriend was great when i was with her. i loved rocking her. you
EP> can't
EP> compare to me youy pussy!  i plan on taking her back!
EP>

Well that was sure interesting.  I am still trying to figure out what it has to
do with Planet Connect?

Do you think about where you are before you type your messages?
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From: JIM OUELLETTE                          Number: 1290
  To: BOB SLOWINSKI                            Date: 05/31/94 11:56p
Subj: TEST                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > after some problems, just wondering if I am now making the trip?

Ya made it to Mass......

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From: JIM OUELLETTE                          Number: 1291
  To: JERRY SHENK                              Date: 05/31/94 11:58p
Subj: RE-ZIPPING                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > various problems.  I'd like to know how to process TIC files.  I'd
 > like to get advice on how they are handling USENET.  Comments like
 > the above quote certainly don't endear us to them!  I'd much rather
 > have friends than enemies!

Ask away<g>.....besides..what the heck'r 'enemies<G>??

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From: RAY SNOW                               Number: 1292
  To: JEFF BOWMAN                              Date: 05/31/94  8:49p
Subj: Postlink                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JB>Does anyone know if Rime has came out with POSTLINK for Wildcat 4

Postlink supports WC via the UTI interface means.
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From: RAY SNOW                               Number: 1293
  To: BILL WHITEHOUSE                          Date: 05/31/94  8:49p
Subj: Re-zipping     <conto                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

BW>According to Bonnie Anthony (1:105/285) on Fri, May 20 at 05:13:

BA>Yes Boyd, I am very demanding. I admit it. I am very hard, pushy and
BA>sometimes I get carried away. I admit that too. Here in public. That
BA>is because I fanatically care about our network.

BW>  Is it really worth all the ridicule and ill will? You walk all over
BW>folks, they tend to resist the second time around. By the third, they're
BW>ready to show you the door.


I think you may not understand Bonnie completely here. Let me offer a small
perspective from my angle over the past several years. If you don't mind, that
is.....<g>

She "pushes" in the sense of not accepting anything less than rock solid
logical answers to the "what if we....". She does not settle for the putoffs or
partials that usually are offered to most folks nowadays. Never settle for
status quo, when better might possibly be available.

Occasionally that means that she might have to grab the stubborn bull by the
horns to get its serious and proper attention.

She is usually the first to offer to mend fences when someone misunderstands,
or when her occasional aggressiveness catches someone wrong or offguard.
Publicly. Candidly.

Some males these days struggle with an opposite gender who might be aggressive
or very persistent at times. But they are more comfortable/able to deal with
males of the same type. Interesting.

Bonnie's human. A very nice person that most people I have seen have learned to
work with nicely and effectively.

Suggestions:
1. Just take her frank candor, lay-the-cards-on-the-table, don't-mince-
   words as nothing personal. Tho' it may once in a while sound
   different possibly.
   a) Friends can sometimes disagree strongly about subjects, and still
      be very good friends thru it all.
   b) I have yet to see any hidden agendas/tactics from her, that I
      constantly see in the corporate business world. Straight-forward.
   c) If she occasionally gets to sounding frustrated, just hang
      tight. She always snaps back to very even-keeled *very* quickly
      all by herself. Her professional daytime job is more stress,
      pressure and frustration than many folks ever see or ever want.
      And RIME is her hobby after she comes home from that zoo.

2. Answer back questions/issues in logical, substantiated, factual
   ways. In true Spok fashion.
   a) She gets along super with the helpful guru or expert who takes
      the time to patiently explain things.
   <definition of expert: a guy from out of town. grin>

3. Take whatever her level of understanding is, and work your way up
   from there - in non-jargon words that she can understand.
   a) Remember, she's not a programmer by chosen profession.
   b) She comes from the professional medical world. (complete with
      professional titled initials, the works) And those folks do
      not talk computerese all day long, surprisingly. ;-)

4. Be prepared for plenty of followup questions.
   a) She usually has a bunch, until she feels she really understands.
   b) She may even ask something two or three ways, just to get things
      clearly straight in her mind. But once accomplished.....your
      effort will not need to be repeated downstream.

5. Humor is often a good tool, when things get a bit spirited.
   a) I sometimes wonder if she is a MASH TV fan like others of
      us sleepless sysops, judging from the humorous side of her.
      Just be prepared if you get into a humor-tossing exchange back
      and forth - she's got some good compact one-liner comebacks.
      <grin>

Hope the perspective helps.
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From: MARK ADKINS                            Number: 1294
  To: BOB WATSON                               Date: 06/01/94  5:37p
Subj: Not the phone company                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Yet another warm and welcome reply from a fight-o-net person. Why
-> does it seems that you all have to always be hostile?

Bob how about giving it a rest okay?

Mark

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From: DAN WILLIAMSON                         Number: 1295
  To: CHRIS BATES                              Date: 05/31/94  7:18p
Subj: Automation of Mail.                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Chris Bates wrote:

CB> You ever transferred 15 megs or more at 38400?? <G>  The
CB> problem is the software to do it, any suggestions??  I have
CB> the null modem for the serials, and the high speed 16550
CB> Afn's...

Yes. A shareware program called ZIP will transfer via serial port at 115K and
will accept command line arguements for batch file execution. I tried it out
before I set up with LAN and found it to be very useful. The last version I saw
wander in my serial port was zip161.arj available here and probably much closer
to you.

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From: DAN WILLIAMSON                         Number: 1296
  To: JOHN HRUSOVSZKY                          Date: 05/31/94  7:29p
Subj: Linux                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

John Hrusovszky wrote:

JH> Help!  I have some of the linux files, but am also missing
JH> some, and not sure which ones I am missing, or where to FREQ
JH> them.

Here is my list to date:

LNXA1.ZIP     Linux Disk A1-A,B,C  (3 Files)
LNXA2.ZIP     Linux Disk A2-A,B,C  (3 Files)
LNXA3.ZIP     Linux disk A3-A,B,C  (3 Files)
LNXAP1.ZIP    Linux disk AP1-A,B,C (3 Files)
LNXAP2.ZIP    Linux disk AP2-1-A,B (2 Files)
LNXAP3.ZIP    Linux Disk AP3       (1 File )
LNXAP4.ZIP    Linux disk AP4-A,B,C (3 Files)
LNXD1.ZIP     Linux Disk D1-A,B    (2 Files)
LNXD2.ZIP     Linux Disk D2-A,B,C  (3 Files)
LNXD3.ZIP     Linux disk D3-A,B,C  (3 Files)
LNXD4.ZIP     Linux disk D4        (1 File )
LNXD5.ZIP     Linux disk D5-A,B,C  (3 Files)
LNXD6.ZIP     Linux disk D6-A,B,C  (3 Files)

regards,

Dan

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From: DAN WILLIAMSON                         Number: 1297
  To: JOHN HRUSOVSZKY                          Date: 05/31/94  7:30p
Subj: Re: Re-zipping                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

John Hrusovszky wrote:

 MB> Well, I didn't want to milk the point, but thank you for
 MB> clarifying ;->

JH> Cheeze, Martin, don't you give up?  :-D

You had butter drop this thread now. We've all herd it before. Moove along.



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From: GEOFF LEWIS                            Number: 1298
  To: WILLIAM SUTTER                           Date: 06/01/94  6:21a
Subj: PLANET CONNECT AND PCBOAR               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

WS>@SUBJECT:Planet Connect and PcBoard                                  N I
WS>would like to get advice from anyone using Planet Connect Satellite systems
WS>and Pc Board.  I want to set up the system on my board and would like any
WS>advice on the systema dn set-up on PcBoard 15.1.  Any help would be greatly
WS>appreciated.

I'll try to  make this as brief as possible so as to not bore the users of
other
systems <g>.  I'm using PCB 15.1, and running under OS/2 2.11, with Lan Server
3
as the network.  My front end is  InterMail 2.26.   My DOS machine which is
hooked up  to the Planet Connect reciever runs DOS 5/WFW 3.11 in DOS  mode.  I
am using the DOS mode drivers that come with WFW to link with the server
instead
of LS 3's Dos  Lan Requester because  WFW uses less memory. I run PCFU on my
Planet Connect  machine, and use it  to move  the Fido  and Usenet stuff to the

server machine,  which  contains  all the messages and Files.   Now, specific
utilities I use: Fido: InterMail 2.26
      FidoPCB (Fido to PCBoard message tosser)
      Allfix (Tic file processor)

Usenet: PCBUUCP 2.0 Beta

Alternatives to what I use  are available.  Many people  run  Lantastic as
their
NOS, and  multitask with DV.  Instead  of using Intermail and FidoPCB,  you
could use  QFront as your Fido mailer/tosser, and that would probably be best
for  a new  setup.

If you have  any other questions, I can be reached at [e-mail].

Geoff

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From: DON JOHNSON                            Number: 1299
  To: ALL                                      Date: 06/01/94  5:44a
Subj: FishNet International                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Get caught up in The FishNet!  Domain Name FISHNET.FTN

The FishNet is a network of SysOps throughout the WORLD who's goal is in
expanding the communication between people using Telecomunications without
the problems and politics associated with other Networks.  The FishNet is a
family orientated network, and the major rule is...  HAVE FUN!!!!!

FishNet was started in the Denver Metro area in April of 1991.  Four boards
were involved in the beginning, and we never realized just how large we could
get.  Some basic statistics as of May 1994:

333 systems.
74 average messages per day
50k average packet size per day

Fishnet International claims NO responsibility for any echo that is not a
"backbone" sanctioned echo.  Areas with *** preceding the description are
restricted or special echos.  See the description for specifics.  All echos,
except for FN_ADULT & FN_AJOKE are available on Planet Connect.  Handles ARE
allowed in MOST echos.

     Currently, the "backbone" sanctioned echos are:

AreaTag             Description
-------             -----------

FISH                FishNet General Chatter (AKAOK)
FISHBELL            Bell Telephone Problems (AKAOK)
FISHOPS         *** SysOps ONLY! MANDATORY! (AKAOK)
FN_4SALE            Sell/Buy/Trade (AKAOK) <non-commercial>
FN_ADULT        *** Adult Chatter, must be 21+! (AKAOK)
FN_AJOKE        *** Adult Humor, must be over 21! (AKAOK)
FN_AUTO             Automobile Discussions (AKAOK)
FN_BBS              BBS Support for ALL BBS systems (AKAOK)
FN_BBSADS           BBS Advertisements (AKAOK)
FN_BBSLEGAL         BBS/Telecommunications Legal Issues (AKAOK)
FN_BOOKS            Books & Literature (AKAOK)
FN_BUGS             Virus Alert & Discussions (AKAOK)
FN_CAMP             Camping/Fishing/Hiking/Hunting (AKAOK)
FN_CDROM            Multi-Media Support (AKAOK)
FN_COLLECT          Collectors (General) (AKAOK)
FN_COOK             Cooking & Eating (AKAOK)
FN_CRIME            Crimes and Prevention (RN)
FN_DBATE            Debates (AKAOK)
FN_DISABLED         Disabled & Other Issues (AKAOK)
FN_FILEBONE         Filebone Announcements (AKAOK)
FN_FLANG            Foreign Languages <non-English> (AKAOK)
FN_FLIGHTSIM        Flight Simulator (AKAOK)
FN_GRIPE            Gripes Of Life, What really burns you? (AKAOK)
FN_HAM              Ham Shack Chatter - Ham Radio (AKAOK)
FN_HOST         *** Zone/Regional/State Hosts/Hubs ONLY! MANDATORY! (AKAOK)
FN_HRDWR            Computer Hardware Support (AKAOK)
FN_JANIM            Anime Ne - Japanese Animation Discussions (AKAOK)
FN_JOKES            Jokes/Humor/Limericks (AKAOK)
FN_LORD             Religious Discussions (AKAOK)
FN_MODERATOR    *** Moderators & SysOps ONLY! (AKAOK)
FN_MOVIE            Entertainment, Movies/Radio/TV/Music/Books (AKAOK)
FN_MUSIC            Music Discussions (AKAOK)
FN_OMNI             Bizarre Things (AKAOK)
FN_ONETS            Other Networks Advertisements (AKAOK)
FN_OS2              OS/2 Support (AKAOK)
FN_POET             Poetry and Lyrics (AKAOK)
FN_POLITICS         Political Discussions (AKAOK)
FN_PRAY             Prayer Requests (RN)
FN_PROGRAMMING      Computer Programming (AKAOK)
FN_RCHOBBIES        Hobbies (AKAOK)
FN_RECOVERY         Recovery Discussions (AKAOK)
FN_RPG1             AD&D RPG - "Capture the Hawk" (AKAOK)
FN_RUSH_ROOM        Rush Limbaugh Discussions (AKAOK)
FN_SATK             Games People Play (AKAOK)
FN_SCA              Society for Creative Anachronism (AKAOK)
FN_SCIENCE          Science, Fact or Fiction (AKAOK)
FN_SCIFI            Science Fiction <Sci-Fi> (AKAOK)
FN_SOFTWARE         Software Support (AKAOK)
FN_SPORT            Sports Discussions (AKAOK)
FN_TEEN         *** Teen Chatter, must be under 21! (AKAOK)
FN_TREK             Star Trek Discussion (AKAOK)
FN_TWARS            Trade Wars Discussion (AKAOK)
FN_WNDWS            Windows Support (AKAOK)
FN_WOMEN        *** Women ONLY! (AKAOK)
FN_WP               WordPerfect Support (AKAOK)
FN_WRITE            Serious Writing (AKAOK)


For more information and an application package, FReq FISHAPP.ZIP or the magic
name FISHNET from:

  Don Johnson (Leif Sternson)
  Pager/VoiceMail - 303-760-2569
  BBS - 303-420-8927
  MAILER - 303-420-8839
  FISHNET - 21:21/1
  FIDONET - 1:104/531
  OPNET - 38:38/106
  DOORNET - 75:7303/531
  ITCNET - 85:824/118
  GENERICNET - 555:303/102
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From: BILL ARLOFSKI                          Number: 1300
  To: JOHN HRUSOVSZKY                          Date: 06/01/94  4:58p
Subj: Re: Signal Degradation                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >  CG>  Use either 1 1/2" PVC tubing or PVC plastic pipe.  If using PVC
 > CG>  plastic pipe, make sure you use the 90 degree sweep elbows that
 > CG>  the electricians use rather than the sharp elbows that plumbers
 > CG>  use to bring the pipe back to the surface.
 >
 > Good advice (although I don't agree with having to dig below
 > frost, or
 > even 4' deep ... 1 foot deep is more than enough if he is to place
 > it
 > inside PVC pipe).

Maybe, but the National Electrical code says minimum 18" deep when in conduit,
and 24" when direct burial cable is used.

 >by the time that the pipe breaks or anything
 > due to
 > heaving, this technology will be replaced long ago and we'll be
 > using
 > fiber or some such thing <G>.

Good point  <smile>

Bill Arlofski
Reverse Polarity BBS

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From: BILL ARLOFSKI                          Number: 1301
  To: ELVIS HARGROVE                           Date: 06/01/94  5:06p
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > What kind of people are so stupid they have to have five lines to
 > say BYE!?

The ones that quote them?

<smile>

Bill Arlofski
Reverse Polarity BBS

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From: MARTIN BELCKE                          Number: 1302
  To: FOXY FERGUSON                            Date: 06/01/94 11:53p
Subj: Re: Re-Zipping                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> I can loan you mine: it just survived the bashing over our net's new
-> echomail policy.  <BG>

Did you have it approved by the IC?  Any net level policy must be
approved by the IC before it is in force, as per Policy 4.

--Martin--

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From: MARTIN BELCKE                          Number: 1303
  To: JEFF BALLARD                             Date: 06/01/94 11:54p
Subj: Message from Eric Patton                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> My apologizes to the users of this conference.  It seems that one of
-> little trouble users decided to get into this conference and fill it
-> trash (referring to the messages entered by Eric Patton at this addre

Darn, and just when this conference was getting real interesting.  I
thought I had accidently tied into Zone 69........ (GRIN)........

--Martin--

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From: JIM MITCHELL                           Number: 1304
  To: ALL                                      Date: 06/01/94  8:03p
Subj: skylink.                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello all!

   I have a chance to pick up the skylink hardware for a very reasonable price.
  What is the differance in skylink and planet connect?  I hear that many more
files come down skylink than over planet connect, but that it does not have the
numbers of mail echos on it that planet connect has..
   Where can I get info on this?

  , Jim!

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From: TIM FIERRO                             Number: 1305
  To: BOB WATSON                               Date: 06/02/94  1:01p
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

BW> So would I, but you will never get it from their side. I'm getting sick
BW> and tired of coming in here each day and seeing them trash and spit at
BW> us. Wake up! You will never get any respect from the fido people in here
BW> as long as you are one of the "RIME" people. Very sad display on their
BW> part. Yes, I will bash back if someone bashes me first, and they are
BW> always the first to start bashing. I have as much right to be here as
BW> they do and if they don't like it....you get the idea.

Then start your own conference instead of gating the FidoNet one
and complaining in it.


The Racer's Edge Network Delivery System * TRENDS! [phone]/939-7876

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From: DON JOHNSON                            Number: 1306
  To: BOB WATSON                               Date: 06/02/94  2:01p
Subj: Re: Re-zipping                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Bob Watson had these words of wisdom for Jerry Shenk.
These words were uttered 31 May 94  15:00:00.

BW> So would I, but you will never get it from their side. I'm
BW> getting sick
BW> and tired of coming in here each day and seeing them trash and
BW> spit at
BW> us. Wake up! You will never get any respect from the fido people
BW> in here
BW> as long as you are one of the "RIME" people. Very sad display on
BW> their
BW> part. Yes, I will bash back if someone bashes me first, and they
BW> are
BW> always the first to start bashing. I have as much right to be
BW> here as
BW> they do and if they don't like it....you get the idea.

Well, I haven't said anything before, but I'll say it now.  Please don't group
all the Fido people in the same boat.  Fido has it's problems, just like any
other network.  I am a Fido person, I am also the individual who got FishNet on
the bird, I also belong to about 5 other nets.  I do not belong to Rime, but
then again, I don't know a whole lot about it.  I do believe however, that we
are all customers of PC, and they will give us ALL equal service, as best as
possible.  So, I respect you, I also respect your right to be here, and I would
hope that you respect my right not to be stereotyped.

Thanks for listening, now back to the business at hand.  :)

Don Johnson

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From: DON JOHNSON                            Number: 1307
  To: RODNEY D. MYERS                          Date: 06/02/94  2:04p
Subj: Re: Networks and forwarding             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Rodney D. Myers had these words of wisdom for Boyd Goodin.
These words were uttered 01 Jun 94  06:21:35.

RDM> Can you tell which file(s) contain a list of networks that
RDM> can/cannot
RDM> be forwarded to downlinks?

Well, I'll tell ya this..... every night, you should be getting a file called
FISHNET.ZI#, which can be passed down to ANY system with a valid FishNet node
number, Zone 21.

Don Johnson

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From: DON JOHNSON                            Number: 1308
  To: N.L. HARGROVE                            Date: 06/02/94  2:07p
Subj: Re: International Genealo               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

N.L. Hargrove..... why does that name ring a bell?

Ah yes, used to be in FishNet.  Any plans to get back in now that we're on the
satellite?

Don Johnson

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1309
  To: GUY VANDELL                              Date: 06/02/94 10:46p
Subj: Re: MDN Areas                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> DO> I read it as being dead dead.  However, I'm just passing
> DO> info.

> i have read that it's going strong on the other side of the ocean, but
> not over here..

   Maybe we can fix that when we hit europe.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1310
  To: MARTIN BELCKE                            Date: 06/02/94 10:47p
Subj: Re: Re-zipping     <conto               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> that my software is stuck with.

   You know who to bug about that dont you?


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1311
  To: RODNEY D. MYERS                          Date: 06/02/94 10:54p
Subj: Re: Networks and forwarding             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Can you tell which file(s) contain a list of networks that can/cannot
> be forwarded to downlinks?


    Each network has its own control over this. Since we do not process
anything else but Fido, administration of the other networks are handled within
thier own network. You will have to contact each one and see what they say.

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1312
  To: JOHN HRUSOVSZKY                          Date: 06/02/94 10:55p
Subj: Re: Re-zipping                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Just a little ribbin', Boyd, nothing personal.

   My ribs are sore enough!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


...Boyd

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 1313
  To: SCOTT MCNAY                              Date: 06/01/94 10:14p
Subj: Showing your ignorance                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


Scott McNay wrote in a message to Terry Blount:

SM> Anyone with a reasonable grasp of assembler, the essentials
SM> of TSRs, and access to a DOS function reference would be
SM> able to write such a thing.  The problem with doing what you
SM> want is that it would likely take so long to copy the file
SM> to the HD that you would probably miss the beginning of the
SM> next file.

That has been exactly my point.  So the conclusion is that in practical reality
it can't be done.

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From: RANDY RILEY                            Number: 1314
  To: MURRAY PLETSCH                           Date: 06/02/94  7:41p
Subj: Pc Usenet Files                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Murray Pletsch wrote in a message to Randy Riley:

 > I use them too....have about 80% of the Groups set up for my
 > callers.

MP> Hi Randy:
MP>     Do you forward the Usenet messages to any downlinks?

I do forward some of them to two other nodes in Fido PKT format.

MP> One big question in my mind is....if it takes 3 hours to get
MP> the Usenet messages and it takes an hour or two to toss them

The computer running the satellite feed doesn't toss the UseNet stuff. I have
it set up to unzip the PCUSENET.* files across a LAN to another computer where
I have Waffle's RMAIL and RNEWS set up.  RNEWS tosses the
*.BAGS (in the UseNet format), and also batches the outgoing stuff for the two
nodes.  I then convert the batched files for the nodes using GiGo and forward
them in Fido format. After all is said and done, the satellite computer is down
for maybe 30 minutes or so tossing Fido, and then its back up.

MP> and pack them up for downlinks....and they take the entire
MP> dump, when do you get time to handle the fido mail and
MP> files, or do you...?

Yes, I do toss the Fido stuff too, although most is "Passthru" and the same two
nodes pull Fido from me as well. The files are processed by a third computer
that is running as a server for the BBS, it is scheduled to run TICK as an
event, so that doesn't impact the satellite feed at all.

MP> Regards...Murray

I just got all this set up, and it seems to work well. The major snag I have
run into is the "lack" of a good mail door that runs under DOS and handles the
News Groups in the UseNet, or InterNet (whatever you call it) format.  Any
suggestions?  I have a copy of "ZIPNEWS" set up as a door, but it only allows
packet downloads (not an editor)....and is real greedy on memory, apparently. I
don't really like the look of Waffle's editor either.....what else can we use?

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From: TRIP NEISLER                           Number: 1315
  To: MURRAY TUCKER                            Date: 06/02/94  9:34p
Subj: message                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Murray ... I've gotten *several* messages from you ... well, at least two.
I'm having a problem getting stuff sent.  I've replied here (Holden Beach) and
from Wilmington (Netmail & echomail) but I can't tell what's going on.  From
this end anyway....
I, also, have been listening out on 17M @ 2200Z, but conditions are *awful*.
Shoot, most days @ 1500Z I can barely hear Fred, W5LOG.  Not to mention it's
thunder storm time here, so a lot of the time I have *everything* unplugged.
I'll keep trying this landline method.  It'll work sooner or later (HI HI).
73 from the beach (90F today).  --Trip, AC4QV



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From: ANTHONY GRILLO                         Number: 1316
  To: TIM HELTON                               Date: 06/01/94 10:18p
Subj: Re: INTERNATIONAL GENEALO               Refer: NONE
Read: 06/04/94  2:52p                       Private: No

Hi Tim,


->> You can run a net completely indepent of FidoNet and still use
->> the Fidonet node numbers.  Sounds like you need some education in
->> the handling of echomail.

 TH> Only Tom Jennings can make that decision.  The nodelist is
 TH> copyrighted by him and only he (or the courts) can make
 TH> determinations as to its fair use.  Right now he states that it
 TH> shall only be used to "participate in FidoNet" - to do anything
 TH> beyond that is a violation of his copyright (and his trademark,
 TH> if they use the word "FidoNet").

I think your missing the point here. If 100 nodes with Fido Numbers
decided to form their own mail and echo distribution system and not
use the Backbone and mail hubs, you would have an independant network
using FidoNet numbers.

Keep in mind, as long as you observe ZMH there is nothing anyone can
do to you as long as you don't violate Policy 4. There is no clause in
Policy 4 that states you can't form a seperate backbone or create a
parallel mail structure.

 TH> Of course, it would only take 10 lawyers and 100k in legal fees
 TH> to establish this fact <g>.

If it could be enforced at all.

Anthony
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From: JIM OUELLETTE                          Number: 1317
  To: BOB WATSON                               Date: 06/02/94  7:50p
Subj: YOUR WHINING                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > I believe they would feel better if they weren't sent at all! I get
 > the feeling in here that the fight-o-net people don't like anyone
 > but themselves. Sad, really sad....

Nawwwwww...not 'all' of us Fido folks feel that way at all Bob :-)....Heck,I'd
like to unencode their net so's I could read all the fuss,but I already have so
many irons in the fire,it would not be feasible yet....

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From: JIM OUELLETTE                          Number: 1318
  To: JEFF BALLARD                             Date: 06/02/94  7:51p
Subj: MESSAGE FROM ERIC PATTON                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > trash (referring to the messages entered by Eric Patton at this
 > address).
 >
 > Rest assured the problem has been fixed.  He no longer has access to

Nasty little 'kid',eh Jeff??..Thanks for fixin it...Jim

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From: JIM OUELLETTE                          Number: 1319
  To: MURRAY PLETSCH                           Date: 06/02/94  7:55p
Subj: PC USENET FILES                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > Hi Randy:
 >     Do you forward the Usenet messages to any downlinks?  One big
 > question in my mind is....if it takes 3 hours to get the Usenet
 > messages and it takes an hour or two to toss them and pack them up
 > for downlinks....and they take the entire dump, when do you get time
 > to handle the fido mail and files, or do you...?

As I also just started tossing newsgroups,and it takes about 4 hours to
'extract' even my own groups,I would assume that having a 'dedicated' machine
to toss only the newsgroups would work well......The Fido backbone takes about
6 hours here to process for about 75 downlinks,I might add....so,I guess,you
could still do it on the same mail machine that does Fido,but it might take
half a day or so.

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From: JIM WATSON                             Number: 1320
  To: JOHN DONOHUE                             Date: 06/02/94  9:50a
Subj: Re: MDN Areas                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

John Donohue wrote in a message to Jim Watson:

JW>Daryl Turner wrote in a message to Dave Osborne:

DT> Does this mean the MSDN is completely dead, or just dead on
DT> this side of the ocean?

JW>Duncan told me in netmail that it was "discontinued due to lack of fina
JW>support".  From the way he said it, and considering the pull of all are
JW>even from the .NO file, I'd say it's "dead" -:)


JW>--- timEd-A10c
JD> What are the Tags for the MSDN file areas? (if it's dead, I
JD> wanna weed my setup)
JD> Thanks!

MDN*  -:)



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From: BOB MCCOY                              Number: 1321
  To: JIM CRAIG                                Date: 06/02/94 12:03p
Subj: Liberal rhetoric again                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Jim!

Saturday May 14 1994, Jim Craig writes to Tony Guadagnolo:

 > Rush is noting of the sort, he's a gutless, whimpy Republican conservative
 > ass kissing apologist. Quayle's approach to Family values has to be
 > predicated on his IQ which is somewhat less than that of a rat turd.  To be
 > a conservative, one must either be mentally defective, a skinhead, or
 > extremely wealth with out a conscience. Tony, which are you?

How did that old saying go; something about "the pot calling the kettle black",
I think. It never ceases to amaze me how some individuals, when confronted with
statements which they perceive as attacking their "hero", resort to infantile
name-calling and uninformed assaults upon any public figure representing the
"other side".

Have you ever actually talked to Dan Quayle, Jim? What qualifies you to pass
judgement upon his intelligence? So he might not be a viable competitor in a
spelling bee . . . so what? Looking back at the third and tenth words of your
first sentence above (as well as the last line of that paragraph), I'm not so
sure that you could spell potato correctly, either!

Rush Limbaugh is an entertainer; he uses his political point of view as a basis
for providing that entertainment. It must be working; he has the highest-rated
radio talk show in the country, with somewhere near 600 stations carrying his
program. You obviously don't agree with most of what he says. That's fine;
that's your constitutional right. I only hope and pray that you and I will be
allowed to continue to have that right.

 > -+- WM v3.10/92-0084
 >  + Origin: Flite-Line BBS Lincoln Nebraska 1:285/203  (1:3615/51)
 > (1:285/203)

BTW (to bring this message a little closer to being on-topic for this echo),
you might want to tell the sysop of record for 1:285/203, Steve Cox, that
Wildmail will append the appropriate node number to the origin line when it
SCANs. Node numbers should not be added to the text entered in WMCONFIG for the
origin; I'm certain that 1:3615/51 is not an AKA that Steve wants appended to
all of his outgoing messages, since it really belongs to Planet Connect HQ in
Newport, TN.

Bob

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From: JOHN DODSON                            Number: 1322
  To: BOB WATSON                               Date: 06/01/94 10:40a
Subj: Your whining                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Quoting Bob Watson to Bonnie Anthony <=-

 BW> I believe they would feel better if they weren't sent at all! I get
 BW> the feeling in here that the fight-o-net people don't like anyone but
 BW> themselves. Sad, really sad....

I get the feeling that all you want to do Bob is stir the pot. What is
your purpose here Bob?  You don't own a Planet Connect system, you
aren't asking any questions that pertain to running a Planet Connect
system, you aren't asking about purchasing a Planet Connect system....
Hmmm?  All you do is make inflamatory remarks about "stupid"
"fight-o-net" sysops who "need to grow up a bit".

What you and your small, narrow mind seem to forget is that the majority
of satellite sysops in this echo carry more than one network, that their
purpose is to provide information from a _variety_ of networks and
sources, that they have much to gain from talking to sysops from
different networks and do not appreciate _at all_ some holier than thou
Rime sysop mucking up a conference by trying to continually stir the
pot... or by referring to folks as "stupid", not grown up and Fidonet as
fight-o-net (which is such a trite cliche, Bob).
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From: BONNIE ANTHONY                         Number: 1323
  To: DAN COOK                                 Date: 06/02/94  6:22a
Subj: Your quotes are messed up               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

DC> that way.  They're almost unreadable.  Perhaps this only appears this
DC> way on the FidoNet side.  If no one is complaining, perhaps they're just
DC> being polite.

it apparently only appeared corrupted on the FidoNet side but I have
changed my quoting symbols in here so that it is not messed up for
anyone.
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From: CHRIS VON MOTZ                         Number: 1324
  To: MARK ADKINS                              Date: 06/02/94 10:20a
Subj: Not the phone company                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Mark ,

just for your info. It seems that the messages here in this echo look OK as far
as the quoting and so on. In the counterpart (from PC ) it is a mess if you
have ever seen one.

Thanks also for putting "Holmes"'s sidekick into place.

He aint a FIDO person , and does not pull Rime of the bird either , so what is
his purpose here??

Thanks for your help. My HD is grateful. <Gr>

TTYL,

Chris.
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From: CHRIS VON MOTZ                         Number: 1325
  To: BOB WATSON                               Date: 06/02/94 10:46a
Subj: Not the phone company                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Yet another warm and welcome reply from a fight-o-net person. Why does it
-> seems that you all have to always be hostile? Is it your nets way of life or
-> something? I can't remember the last time a nice message came from your side
-> to this side! Bonnie's bottom line may not set well with you, but YOUR
-> complete line is a bunch of garbage! Grow up a bit!

Watson , since you are NOT a Rime Sysop pulling off the bird ,

                       HIT THE BRICKS!!

Its people like you who thrive on flame wars.

You are not doing yourself , nor any network a favor with your completely

"Off-Topic" postings.

You are also not in neither fashion , shape , or form , a proper representative

for ANY network , or its general attitude.

This is a support conference for Sat Sysops , no matter what net they
represent.

The above quoted part of your message to a member of another network

constitutes a PERSONAL ATTACK against that person according to the RIME

bylaws , and I hereby officially lodge a complaint against you and your

postings with the CH of this conference.

Sysop Flying Dutchman.
RIME ID REDBARON #1077
FidoNet 1:143/238
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From: CHRIS VON MOTZ                         Number: 1326
  To: MARK ADKINS                              Date: 06/02/94 10:49a
Subj: This is something for you               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Yet another warm and welcome reply from a fight-o-net person. Why does it
-> seems that you all have to always be hostile? Is it your nets way of life or
-> something? I can't remember the last time a nice message came from your side
-> to this side! Bonnie's bottom line may not set well with you, but YOUR
-> complete line is a bunch of garbage! Grow up a bit!

Watson , since you are NOT a Rime Sysop pulling off the bird ,

                       HIT THE BRICKS!!

Its people like you who thrive on flame wars.

You are not doing yourself , nor any network a favor with your completely

"Off-Topic" postings.

You are also not in neither fashion , shape , or form , a proper representative

for ANY network , or its general attitude.

This is a support conference for Sat Sysops , no matter what net they
represent.

The above quoted part of your message to a member of another network

constitutes a PERSONAL ATTACK against that person according to the RIME

bylaws , and I hereby officially lodge a complaint against you and your

postings with the CH of this conference.

Sysop Flying Dutchman.
RIME ID REDBARON #1077
FidoNet 1:143/238
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From: CHRIS VON MOTZ                         Number: 1327
  To: JIM MITCHELL                             Date: 06/02/94 10:55a
Subj: Usenet                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Well Jim ,

the newsgroups have been coming down by the BIG HD load for the last 6 months
or so.<Gr>

Fills my 110 MEG Sat disk up in about 3 days max. Enough for starters??

Enjoy,

Chris.
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From: CHRIS VON MOTZ                         Number: 1328
  To: BILL ARLOFSKI                            Date: 06/02/94 10:56a
Subj: Stuff                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Just like the "Ole Crapper" Huh??? <Gr>

Chris.
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From: CHRIS VON MOTZ                         Number: 1329
  To: JEFF BALLARD                             Date: 06/02/94 10:58a
Subj: Message from eric patton                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Thanks for your consideration. Appreciated.

Chris.
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From: CHRIS VON MOTZ                         Number: 1330
  To: SID BALCOM                               Date: 06/02/94 11:05a
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Sid ,

there is TONS of real great folks on RIME. (Me) <Gr>.!!!

Its like anything else : 99 % of the garbage is produced by 1 % of the

participants. You find what you go looking for.

Lets have a blast with this Sat thinggy.!!


Chris.
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From: CHARLES WEBB                           Number: 1331
  To: EDDIE MONEY                              Date: 06/02/94  7:23p
Subj: rocker                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Are you the rocker that is really one of the all time greatest?
If you are you have rocked me many times and I want to thank you for the
free concert in St. Louis at the Union Station.  I also saw you rock at
the Keil Opera House for $3.00.  Killer show.  You are the great EDDIE
MONEY.  If you are the rocker, thanks for some really great shows.

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From: CHARLES WEBB                           Number: 1332
  To: EDDIE MONEY                              Date: 06/02/94  7:36p
Subj: rocker                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Mr. Eddie Money, please if you are the rocker I am a number 1 fan of
you!  Where abouts are you, were do you hang, I just think you know how
to put on a show without charging a whole paycheck.  You bring tears to
my eyes with your sincerity when you rock.  I can't believe you are so
generous with your concerts.  I haven't missed one when I was close
enough to it.  This is unreal you must not be the real Rockin Eddie, if
not I'm sorry, but I hope you know where I'm coming from cause the
rockin Eddie Money, is too damn cool.

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From: TIM HELTON                             Number: 1333
  To: BOB WATSON                               Date: 06/04/94  2:56p
Subj: My penis is sore from bei               Refer: 1268
Read: NO                                    Private: No

-> Oh, this has everything to do with satellites!

Bob, put a lid on it.  This echo is for discussing the Planet Connect
service.  EOT.

tim
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From: EDDIE MONEY                            Number: 1334
  To: TIM FIERRO                               Date: 06/02/94  2:28p
Subj: Sometimes you still have                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Tim!

Wednesday June 01 1994 19:01, Tim Fierro wrote to All:

 TF> *@SUBJECT:Sometimes you still have to delete them :)                  N
 TF> 04053107 ZIP       178,577 05-31-94   4:33p

 TF> Just because you have ; K:\GARBAGE\NUL\

Did you get that crap file also? It stayed here also and I looked at it and may
have to try to find time to read some of it. There might be some queen bee
business in there.<g>



 TF> doesn't mean they won't still consume space on your hard
 TF> drive.  This thing arrived on my system and I had to manually
 TF> delete it's content off of my drive.

that dang old file took up my hard drive space also.


 TF> So much for the security issue......

well what security? we have proof of it on our drives.


Eddie

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From: EDDIE MONEY                            Number: 1335
  To: BOB WATSON                               Date: 06/02/94  2:35p
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Bob!

Tuesday May 31 1994 15:00, Bob Watson wrote to Jerry Shenk:

 JS>> You fuss about Fido being a 'flaming network' and then you say something
 JS>> like this?  Come on, we're the new people on this network.  Personally
 JS>> I'd like to be able to come in here and ask questions of these old hands
 JS>> at pulling in a feed from the bird how they handle various problems.
 JS>> I'd like to know how to process TIC files.  I'd like to get advice on
 JS>> how they are handling USENET.  Comments like the above quote certainly
 JS>> don't endear us to them!  I'd much rather have friends than enemies!

 BW> So would I, but you will never get it from their side. I'm getting sick
 BW> and tired of coming in here each day and seeing them trash and spit at
 BW> us. Wake up! You will never get any respect from the fido people in here

BYE!

Eddie

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From: EDDIE MONEY                            Number: 1336
  To: BILL WERELEY                             Date: 06/02/94  2:39p
Subj: Am I all alone......                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Bill!

Tuesday May 31 1994 20:18, Bill Wereley wrote to All:

 BW> Am I alone in the Universe or is anyone reading this?  I've seen tons of
 BW> outgoing replies from here, but have yet to get a reply TO someone here,
 BW> whether it be netmail or in an echo.  I'm truly beginning to doubt that
 BW> PC is filling the bill.........
 BW> R.S.V.P., anyone?  Please?  P l e a s e ? ? ?

Bill got this one June 2nd
looks like you got it working!

Eddie

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From: JEFF BALLARD                           Number: 1337
  To: GEORGE VANDERVORT                        Date: 06/02/94  7:05a
Subj: censored                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

GV>  In order for any User on my BBs to have **WRITE PRIVILAGES**, I have to
GV>  manually change a security Flag to allow Write privilages to individual
GV>  Users.
GV>

Following these guidelines, what does one need to do to obtain access to
FidoNet via your bbs?

Just wondering as since I started calling Fido BBSes, none of the system in
this area restrict access to it unless you screw up.  All of them make it
available usually following a simple callback validation program as do I.

BTW, tried to return your netmail message but got no answer from your system.
Will attempt again.

Thanks
Jeff Ballard


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Subj: T╜xi├1εezjo7/a8tµ∞o¢°                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

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From: 3-001030.01W 12231010.$P2              Number: 1339
  To: 00M 12231011.$P23-0020C                 Date: 06/02/94  1:12a
Subj: 020.$p23-0030hk.0af 122                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 1340
  To: GUY VANDELL                              Date: 06/02/94 11:23p
Subj: Re: MDN Areas                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Jun 02 10:40>, Guy VanDell writes:

 GV>i have read that it's going strong on the other side of the ocean, but not
 GV>over here..

Could be, the pond link has been broke for months.

D.

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From: ROB NELSON                             Number: 1341
  To: BOB WATSON                               Date: 06/02/94  9:59p
Subj: You suck i am goin to kic               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 BW> Come on guy! Why must you post this crap in this conference?
 BW> We do not care about your sexual conduct!

You know, this was bad enough the first time, you just re-posted it all!  A
user like that deserves no response.

Cheers,
           Rob
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From: PATTY MORRIS                           Number: 1342
  To: JIM MITCHELL                             Date: 06/03/94 12:54a
Subj: usenet                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Jim Mitchell wrote in a message to All:

JM>   There was at one time talk of passing usenet groups over
JM> planet connect.. What became of this?

    They're still being passed along, Jim.

                      --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: PATTY MORRIS                           Number: 1343
  To: ELVIS HARGROVE                           Date: 06/03/94 12:56a
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Elvis Hargrove wrote in a message to Bob Watson:

EH> What kind of people are so stupid they have to have five
EH> lines to say BYE!?

    Uhm, Elvis...  Those 5 lines are the result of his Postlink message
processor and the effects of his message originating in the RIME conference and
being passed through a Fidonet gateway.


                      --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: PATTY MORRIS                           Number: 1344
  To: BOB WATSON                               Date: 06/03/94  1:01a
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Bob Watson wrote in a message to Jerry Shenk:

BW> So would I, but you will never get it from their side. I'm
BW> getting sick and tired of coming in here each day and seeing
BW> them trash and spit at us. Wake up! You will never get any
BW> respect from the fido people in here as long as you are one
BW> of the "RIME" people. Very sad display on their part. Yes, I
BW> will bash back if someone bashes me first, and they are
BW> always the first to start bashing. I have as much right to

    Bob, methinks you look within for at least part of your troubles. While
I'll certainly agree that there has been quite a bit of network bashing on
either side of the fence, you seem to want or even need to perpetuate it by
carrying a permanent chip on your shoulder.  I responded to a single message
with a reasonable answer devoid of contempt or hostility and you chose to
insult and take out your personal frustrations on me.

     I attempted to answer your message in a congenial manner which you
promptly spat back in my face and threw down the gauntlet.  I'd say that is a
pretty sad and immature display on YOUR part. Fortunately I know enough RIME
members to know that this is *not* a personal reflection on most of the persons
in that network.  Other persons in this echo may not.  In any case, you are
truly a pathetic representative of the ANY network and I rather suspect that if
you behave in this manner in other networks that you won't be a welcome member
for long.

    Nuff said on the subject.  Your response(s) are neither needed nor desired
and will be treated by my twit filter as the extraneous excrement that they
are.  Have a nice life.


                      --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: PATTY MORRIS                           Number: 1345
  To: TIM FIERRO                               Date: 06/03/94  1:35a
Subj: Sometimes you still have                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Tim Fierro wrote in a message to All:

TF> *@SUBJECT:Sometimes you still have to delete them :)

TF>          N 04053107 ZIP       178,577 05-31-94   4:33p

TF> Just because you have ; K:\GARBAGE\NUL\

TF> doesn't mean they won't still consume space on your hard
TF> drive.  This thing arrived on my system and I had to

    I'd been wondering about those files myself, Tim.  They'd been showing up
here also until a week or so ago.  Since I didn't know what they were and
really had no interest in finding out they were nuked and purged.

                      --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: DENNIS MAIDON                          Number: 1346
  To: BOB WATSON                               Date: 06/02/94 11:42a
Subj: Re: Re-zipping                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

DM>>If she is not happy with the way Planet Connect operates, let here start
DM>>her own uplink outfit.  At least my life will be more enjoyable.

 BW> No, she has the right to come in here and voice her opinion, just like
 BW> everyone else. Those who don't like it can go elsewhere. You, as a fido
 BW> person, have no extra rights over anyone else in here, even though you
 BW> think you do!

Never said I had OR thought I had extra or special rights.  I feel that
everyne has a right to their opinion as long as they are not belligerant
about it as she was from the git-go.  I even think that you have the right to
voice your opinion even though I feel you are biased in that opinion.

I am not a "fido" person, I owe allegiance to NO network.  I am
ME and nothing else.  I can tell you this, if being a 'fido' person
means I am not like you.  Praise the Good Lord!  As P.T. once said,
"there is a fool born every minute".  But every so often someone like
you comes along and stays in the kiln too long and gets a double dose.

As long as everyone can voice their opinion without getting irate about
it, you won't hear from me.   Hell, there is nothing in here but
messages.  You can delete everyone of them for the next year and life
will still go on.

As I had stated in my previous message, I started out in RIME.  I spoke
from experience concerning that network.


.

... Silver Xpress! Mail Door..Now doing it the Wildcat! way!!!


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From: GARY CRAIN                             Number: 1347
  To: BOB WATSON                               Date: 06/02/94  3:55p
Subj: You suck i am goin to kic               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On May 31, 1994, at 15:00, Bob Watson of 1:105/285 wrote:

 BW> Come on guy! Why must you post this crap in this conference? We
 BW> do not care about your sexual conduct!

  What a genius it takes to quote 100% of all this crap back just in case
anyone missed it the first time.  I can't believe the intelligence of some
people.

Gary

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From: LORI SMITH                             Number: 1348
  To: JACK WILLIAMS                            Date: 06/02/94 11:55a
Subj: Re: Link Test                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JW*>Lori: The software I wrote and am using extracts just those messages from
JW*>echoes which your board currently carried. You just type "EXTRACT" an it
JW*>automatically creates a "tossable" file containing messages just in those
JW*>echoes which are on your board.....

Hello again Jack,

THATS THE ONE! :-)  The hubby and I were trying to remember a file
that we had read about in here, so I posted a message re: searching
for a file, and although no one could help, YOU just did!<BG>

It was your file that I was searching for, so now both my message's
have been answered! ;)

JW*>Now, if we could just get Planet Connect to correct their software where it
JW*>doesn't write *everything* to disk--even if you don't want it--and then
JW*>*erases* what you don't want. Terrible stress and unnecessary wear on the
JW*>disk drive mechanism....

Yes, that is correct... when I do a speed disk on the old HD, it
is a MESS!<g>  So tell me Jack... what are your plans with sharing
that file of yours???

I have been told to make all unused areas as a pass thru... and
that will get deleted... but I think your idea [your file] sounds
much better to me.<g>

                                        +Lori+

 * OLX 2.1 * » Stroke those phone lines, make my modem sing!

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From: GEORGE VANDERVORT                      Number: 1349
  To: JEFF BALLARD                             Date: 06/03/94  5:27p
Subj: Re: censored                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


In a message to George Vandervort <06-02-94 07:05> Jeff Ballard wrote:
JB>  Arrived 03Jun94
JB>  GV>  In order for any User on my BBs to have **WRITE PRIVILAGES**, I
JB>  GV>  have to manually change a security Flag to allow Write privilages to
JB>  GV>  individual Users.
JB>
JB>  Following these guidelines, what does one need to do to obtain access
JB>  to FidoNet via your bbs?

Hmmm

jump through a "flaming hoop" on command.. :-)

only about 2 or 3 percent of my 700 users have Write privilege to Fido echo's

if I don't know them personally... then I make a judgement call based on my
intuition, after reading their answers to my Questionnaire (if they choose to
answer the Registration Questionnaire) if not they remail in Just Visiting
status, no Download, Games or Write to any message are but private msg to the
sysop..

I check the following:
1. if they Complete the registration questionnaire.
2. if they read the Posted Notice on Acceptable Conduct while on my BBS
   they they are Advised of what conduct will cause a loss of Access..

a Few Twits or Hackers choose to ignore any posted notices or restriction and
by their on Action invoke an Automatic reduction in what little access they
had..

3. MY BBS encrypt the User Password so even the sysop has no idea what type of
wording the user chooses for a password, but on other type BBS software, the
language used to choose a Password combined with the Users Age can sometimes
give the sysop a Clue as to what kind of user wants access..

4. if the user is Listed in the Fido Nodelist, and therefore has access to
Fido echo's elsewhere..

I also use the following display to scare off some potential Twits..

===>< Cut Here ><===

***> NOTICE:  a Beta Test Feature of This BBS includes a NEW USER Keyboard
     =======  Macro as Part of the Security System of this Board...
              The Time Delay and Key Typing style in the way you entered
              Your NAME, PHONE Numbers, PASSWORD, Etc.. Are Recorded by
              the System and Compared with Each New User.. To Prevent
              Multiple Entries by the Same User Unless Prior arrangements
              Have Been Made with the Sysop... *** LEAVE a Message to Apply
                                                   for Multiple User Access.
Press [Enter]

===>< Cut Here ><===

Regards,
George Vandervort

... ...Fax me no questions, I'll fax you no lies!
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From: DAVID LIERMAN                          Number: 1350
  To: BILL WERELEY                             Date: 06/03/94  4:21p
Subj: Am I all alone......                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

We received your Message in Anderson, IN!!!
David


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From: ALEX STUART                            Number: 1351
  To: MARTIN BELCKE                            Date: 06/03/94  6:06p
Subj: Re: Re-Zipping                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

MB> -> I can loan you mine: it just survived the bashing over our net's new
MB> -> echomail policy.  <BG>

MB> Did you have it approved by the IC?  Any net level policy
MB> must be approved by the IC before it is in force, as per
MB> Policy 4.

        That's not what Policy 4 provides. The IC's approval is necessary only
if the local policy contradicts Policy4. If a local policy is consistent with
Policy4, i.e. it deals with matters with which Policy4 doesn't deal, or deals
with matters more specifically than Policy4, but consistent with the general
provisions in Policy4, it doesn't need the IC's approval. The IC's approval is
only needed if a local policy, for local conditions, makes provisions
inconsistent with Policy, and such policies can't impose burdens other than
requirments to observe local mail periods.

        A net is quite free to adopt a local policy dealing with echomail -
so long as it is consistent with the minimal specific provisions in Policy4
as to echomail - without getting the approval of the IC.

     -- Alex

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From: JIM TAYLOR                             Number: 1352
  To: JEFF BALLARD                             Date: 06/03/94  7:53a
Subj: Message from Eric Patton                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JB>My apologizes to the users of this conference.  It seems that one of my
JB>little trouble users decided to get into this conference and fill it with
JB>trash (referring to the messages entered by Eric Patton at this address).
JB>Rest assured the problem has been fixed.  He no longer has access to this
JB>system period.

I bet he was around 12 or 13 years old? (GRIN).  That is the age of about
3 of my trouble makers.


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From: JIM TAYLOR                             Number: 1353
  To: ALL                                      Date: 06/03/94  8:12a
Subj: Fido/Inter/Rime NETS                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hay, what is all your folks problem.  You sound like a bunch of kids.
IBM is better than Apple, Intel is better than AMD, Windows is better
than Desqview, ect.  Now it is Fido is better than Rime, Internet is
better than Fidonet, ect.  Why don't you see it for what it is, and
stop yelling at each other.  I think the networks all need to come
closer togather, and stand up for Electronic Communications Rights.
Join EFF, or NOMA, or one of the other Electronic Communications Rights
orgainizations.  Your time and energy would be better spent.

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From: JIM TAYLOR                             Number: 1354
  To: DAN WILLIAMSON                           Date: 06/03/94  3:51p
Subj: Automation of Mail.                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

DW>CB> You ever transferred 15 megs or more at 38400?? <G>  The
DW>CB> problem is the software to do it, any suggestions??  I have
DW>CB> the null modem for the serials, and the high speed 16550
DW>CB> Afn's...

DW>Yes. A shareware program called ZIP will transfer via serial port at 115K an
DW>will accept command line arguements for batch file execution. I tried it out
DW>before I set up with LAN and found it to be very useful. The last version I
DW>wander in my serial port was zip161.arj available here and probably much clo
DW>to you.

Zip is dang good program, and I too was using it before I got the LAN running.
I have a batch file I wrote called SENDIT.BAT that works with Zip.  If you
send me net mail, I will find the batch file and the zip program, and send
them back to you via Netmail.

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From: JIM TAYLOR                             Number: 1355
  To: DON JOHNSON                              Date: 06/03/94  3:57p
Subj: FishNet International                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

DJ>Get caught up in The FishNet!  Domain Name FISHNET.FTN

DJ>The FishNet is a network of SysOps throughout the WORLD who's goal is in
DJ>expanding the communication between people using Telecomunications without
DJ>the problems and politics associated with other Networks.  The FishNet is a
DJ>family orientated network, and the major rule is...  HAVE FUN!!!!!

And making money.  If I remember correctly I got hit with a netmail add
for fishnet 2 years ago (shoot, I thought your net would be dead by now).
After wasting my time and FREQing your file I found out it required the sysop
to pay $25.00 a year or $25.00 a month or something like that, to be "in"
Fishnet.


Just thought I would let folks know there is a cost before they go and
Freq your info packet.

Jim

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From: JOHN HRUSOVSZKY                        Number: 1356
  To: ALL                                      Date: 06/02/94  8:47p
Subj: Re:  sally Jessy Raph                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 JC>> You know the media became liberal when even people like the
 JC>> Hurst's printed the truth about CRAP like Nixon, so he labeled.
 JC>> Yeah RIght the media is liberal. On Nixons death, the storys in
 JC>> the press on the editorial page ran 4 to one on Nixon's
 JC>> wonderfulness.  Yeah, about as wonderful as John Gotti, with whom
 JC>> Reagan shares alot.

 JC>>  * WR  [NR] * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY

 S>         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 S> You're a liberal, government teat-sucker who thinks everyone
 S> else should pay your way, eh?
 S> --jah
 S> ... You're a Few Fries Short of a Happy Meal!
 S> --- Via Silver Xpress V3.01

Sorry about this thread ... it appeared in my Planet Connect directory
for some reason, and I thought I was somewhere else.
My apologies to all.

--jah

... A Living Example of Artificial Intelligence
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From: JOHN HRUSOVSZKY                        Number: 1357
  To: BILL ARLOFSKI                            Date: 06/03/94  9:10p
Subj: Re: Signal Degradation                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >> CG>  Use either 1 1/2" PVC tubing or PVC plastic pipe.  If using
 >> CG>  PVC plastic pipe, make sure you use the 90 degree sweep elbows
 >> CG>  that the electricians use rather than the sharp elbows that
 >> CG>  plumbers use to bring the pipe back to the surface.
 >>
 >> Good advice (although I don't agree with having to dig below
 >> frost, or even 4' deep ... 1 foot deep is more than enough if he
 >> is to place it inside PVC pipe).

 BA> Maybe, but the National Electrical code says minimum 18" deep
 BA> when in conduit, and 24" when direct burial cable is used.

Oh ... even for low-voltage wires such as this?


--jah

... Union Labor -- Doin' the Least for the Most.

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From: FOXY FERGUSON                          Number: 1358
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 06/03/94  4:56a
Subj: Re: Re-Zipping                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

BG>> I can loan you mine: it just survived the bashing over our net's new
BG>> echomail policy.  <BG>

BG>   But would it hold up to 26,000?

Ummmmmm.... maybe...  hafta ask Jerry it _he_ thinks it would.

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From: FOXY FERGUSON                          Number: 1359
  To: CHUCK GUSTAFSON                          Date: 06/03/94  3:13p
Subj: Re: Re-Zipping                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

CG>On Tue 31-May-1994 06:43 thus spake Foxy Ferguson unto Boyd Goodin:

CG> FF> I can loan you mine: it just survived the bashing over our net's new
CG> FF> echomail policy.  <BG>

CG>Everybody want's everything for nothing....right?

Ah..... not quite. A few highly vocal nodes were screaming like mad
because the NEC was asking for copies of the AREAS.BBS or equivalent
from each echomail hub (always done in the past, but these nodes are
forming a new CRP and not being very cooperative, to say the least).

Pity our poor NEC: _seven_ planet connect dishes in the net so far, one
landline link to a ZHub, and at least two landline RHub links!

Who the devil feeds what to whom _this_ week???

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From: FOXY FERGUSON                          Number: 1360
  To: BOB WATSON                               Date: 06/03/94  9:58p
Subj: Re-Zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

BW>JS>You fuss about Fido being a 'flaming network' and then you say something
BW>JS>like this?  Come on, we're the new people on this network.  Personally
BW>JS>I'd like to be able to come in here and ask questions of these old hands
BW>JS>at pulling in a feed from the bird how they handle various problems.
BW>JS>I'd like to know how to process TIC files.  I'd like to get advice on
BW>JS>how they are handling USENET.  Comments like the above quote certainly
BW>JS>don't endear us to them!  I'd much rather have friends than enemies!

BW>So would I, but you will never get it from their side. I'm getting sick
BW>and tired of coming in here each day and seeing them trash and spit at
BW>us. Wake up! You will never get any respect from the fido people in here
BW>as long as you are one of the "RIME" people. Very sad display on their
BW>part. Yes, I will bash back if someone bashes me first, and they are
BW>always the first to start bashing. I have as much right to be here as
BW>they do and if they don't like it....you get the idea.

Mr Watson, Sir! RIME sysop Jerry Shenk has _this_ Fidonet's sysop's
respect. Howsomever, you, sir, most assuredly do NOT! Sir!

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From: FOXY FERGUSON                          Number: 1361
  To: BILL WERELEY                             Date: 06/03/94  9:21p
Subj: Am I All Alone......                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

BW>Am I alone in the Universe or is anyone reading this?  I've seen tons of
BW>outgoing replies from here, but have yet to get a reply TO someone here,
BW>whether it be netmail or in an echo.  I'm truly beginning to doubt that
BW>PC is filling the bill.........

BW>R.S.V.P., anyone?  Please?  P l e a s e ? ? ?

Hello, New York! You are not alone......

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From: FOXY FERGUSON                          Number: 1362
  To: MARTIN BELCKE                            Date: 06/03/94 10:00p
Subj: Re: Re-Zipping                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

MB>-> I can loan you mine: it just survived the bashing over our net's new
MB>-> echomail policy.  <BG>

MB>Did you have it approved by the IC?  Any net level policy must be
MB>approved by the IC before it is in force, as per Policy 4.

I understood the IC post was temporarily vacant. When did the new one
get s/elected and WHO is s/he? We've sent copies of the pre-vote drafts
and now the final policy to the Region18 RC & REC, and to Zone1 ZC &
ZEC. Who else do we need to get it ok'd with? It's seperate from the
other net policy, btw, as it just deals with echomail.

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From: TIM FIERRO                             Number: 1363
  To: PATTY MORRIS                             Date: 06/03/94  5:11p
Subj: Sometimes you still have                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

PM> TF> *@SUBJECT:Sometimes you still have to delete them :)
PM> TF>          N 04053107 ZIP       178,577 05-31-94   4:33p
PM>
PM>     I'd been wondering about those files myself, Tim.  They'd been showing
up
PM> here also until a week or so ago.  Since I didn't know what they were and
PM> really had no interest in finding out they were nuked and purged.

With all the hoopla over the security of the packets, I had to
bring this up to attention to show it can still 'accidently'
happen so why is security an issue? :)  Just because I got it
does not mean I have any inclination to import it.


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From: TIM FIERRO                             Number: 1364
  To: EDDIE MONEY                              Date: 06/03/94  5:14p
Subj: Sometimes you still have                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

EM>  TF> *@SUBJECT:Sometimes you still have to delete them :)
N
EM>  TF> 04053107 ZIP       178,577 05-31-94   4:33p
EM>
EM>  TF> Just because you have ; K:\GARBAGE\NUL\
EM>
EM> Did you get that crap file also? It stayed here also and I looked at it and
may
EM> have to try to find time to read some of it. There might be some queen bee
EM> business in there.<g>

Not the first time it has happened.......

EM>  TF> So much for the security issue......
EM> well what security? we have proof of it on our drives.

Don't tell some of the folks in here, they are convinced that the
method chosen will not allow their network to land on anyone's
hard drive.  Let's face it, the technology and crew are young at
this medium and accidents are going to happen.  While I can
easily just delete it, some folks just need to know that it can
happen no matter what their little !!!!!!!!!! file says. <g>


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From: TIM FIERRO                             Number: 1365
  To: CHRIS VON MOTZ                           Date: 06/03/94  5:39p
Subj: Anyone can read this echo               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

*@SUBJECT:Anyone can read this echo ?                                 N
CV> Thanks also for putting "Holmes"'s sidekick into place.
CV>
CV> He aint a FIDO person , and does not pull Rime of the bird either , so what
is
CV> his purpose here??
CV>
CV> Thanks for your help. My HD is grateful. <Gr>

This is a public echo that anyone can participate in.

AREATAG
PLANET_CONNECT

DESCRIPTION
Planet Connect's Public echo. This can be passed on.

We may not like what he has to say, but it is a public echo. :(


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From: MARK ADKINS                            Number: 1366
  To: BOB WATSON                               Date: 06/03/94 12:27a
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

OFFICIAL CH HAT ON

-> No, she has the right to come in here and voice her opinion, just
-> like everyone else. Those who don't like it can go elsewhere. You, as
-> a fido person, have no extra rights over anyone else in here, even
-> though you think you do!

Bob you are wrong in your above statement. This is a Fido Echo on the
Fido Network Backbone. I requested and received permission to gate this
echo to the RIME network so those in RIME that do not own a satellite
system can take advantage of being able to ask those of us that do and
also those at Planet Systems, questions about the service, the hardware,
software and to get a general idea how things are going before they buy
the equiptment.

The RIME Network is the Guests of the Fido Network while in this echo.

As the RIME Conference Host I'm asking you to stop the attacks, the mud
slinging and all the rest of it. Lets get this echo back on track.

Mark
RIME CH

OFFICIAL CH HAT OFF

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From: MARK ADKINS                            Number: 1367
  To: BOB WATSON                               Date: 06/03/94 12:08a
Subj: Re-zipping     <conto                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> How does the above quote look Mark?

Not very good. Here's a sample but I'm not sure it will come out the
same way on your end.

MA>I don't know what everyone's software settings are and now many
columns
MA>per line they are setup for and not all software imports messages
making

Thanks for the reply. I'll mess around with the settings a little more.

Mark

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From: MARK ADKINS                            Number: 1368
  To: BILL WERELEY                             Date: 06/03/94 12:11a
Subj: Am i all alone......                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Am I alone in the Universe or is anyone reading this?  I've seen tons
-> of outgoing replies from here, but have yet to get a reply TO someone
-> here, whether it be netmail or in an echo.  I'm truly beginning to
-> doubt that PC is filling the bill.........

You're being seen in Oregon Bill.

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From: MARK ADKINS                            Number: 1369
  To: CHRIS VON MOTZ                           Date: 06/03/94 12:20a
Subj: Not the phone company                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> just for your info. It seems that the messages here in this echo look
-> OK as far as the quoting and so on. In the counterpart (from PC ) it
-> is a mess if you have ever seen one.

I know exactly what you mean and I'm working on it. It looks fine coming
from RIME, it looks fine when exported from PCBoard to Fido *.msg. It
looks fine via D'Bridge's editor but when they return via satellite they
don't look so hot. I'm working on it. Depending when I enter the
messages it takes a day before I get them back to see how they look.
Working on it Chris.

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From: MARK ADKINS                            Number: 1370
  To: CHRIS VON MOTZ                           Date: 06/03/94 12:24a
Subj: This is something for you               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> The above quoted part of your message to a member of another network

-> constitutes a PERSONAL ATTACK against that person according to the

-> RIME bylaws , and I hereby officially lodge a complaint against you

-> and your postings with the CH of this conference.

-> Sysop Flying Dutchman.
-> RIME ID REDBARON #1077
-> FidoNet 1:143/238

Complaint received and noted.

Mark Adkins
RIME CH

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From: JON ANDERSON                           Number: 1371
  To: RANDY EDWARDS                            Date: 06/01/94  7:03a
Subj: Automation of mail.                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

RE>   Using the null modem you can send the data between the two machines
RE>using this.  This is what I'm currently doing until I get the
RE>PC software running solidly under OS/2.  On my main BBS machine,
RE>I run a task in the background that checks every 6 minutes to
RE>see if the other machine is trying to send something to it
RE>(don't ask my why I picked six minutes, it just seemed that 5
RE>was too short and 10 was too long:-).  This task takes up
RE>almost no CPU when it's sleeping.  When the PC machine is ready
RE>to send something, I transfer it across the null modem at 57.6k
RE>BPS.  Though it takes a few minutes, it's easy to handle and
RE>requires me to do nothing.  Best of all, it's dirt cheap.  :-)


hi...could you elaborate extensively on just what task you're referring to,
which makes a check of the dos machine via the comport??

any help appreciated... am very frustrated with PC an no response from them on
the progress of the beta solution to this damn dongle problem in OS/2 ..

jon
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From: JON ANDERSON                           Number: 1372
  To: ALL                                      Date: 06/01/94  7:15a
Subj: Dongle/os2 ..any news?                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

anyone hear of progress on the reported beta solution to the OS/2 and Dongle
problem ?  am desperate...

tnx..

Jon
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From: JOHN DODSON                            Number: 1373
  To: MARK ADKINS                              Date: 06/02/94 10:33a
Subj: Not the phone company                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

MA>Bob how about giving it a rest okay? Everyone has gotten their licks in
MA>and now that the name calling and the 'I'm better than you are' and 'no
MA>you're not' 'yes I am' 'no you're not' and on and on and on is out lets
MA>get on to more productive things.

MA>This is an information Conference/Echo and not the Flame
MA>Conference/Echo. If you want the Flame Echo request it please.

MA>I see you're running Postlink 1.11. Are you planning on getting a
MA>satellite system? Do you have any questions about the satellite hardware
MA>or something constructive that you'd like to share with all of us?

As both a Rime and a Fido node I thank you very very much for this
post and I wish you luck as a conference host on getting this message to
sink in!
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 * PostLink(tm) v1.20 CANTINA (#173) : RelayNet(tm)

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From: RAY SNOW                               Number: 1374
  To: ALL                                      Date: 06/02/94  6:30p
Subj: Inbound files                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Question:

In my ACONFIG.SKY, how can I change the following example line to
route the file to the great bit bucket in the sky (NUL) instead:

:rulebase, *,   16   *,      *,    *,    *,  disk, J:\UNINET/,    *
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 * Rocky Mountain Software  Salt Lake City, Ut  801-963-8721
 * PostLink(tm) v1.20 ROCKYMTN (#1384) : RelayNet(tm)

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From: RAY SNOW                               Number: 1375
  To: MARTIN BELCKE                            Date: 06/02/94  6:30p
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

MB>argument put forth, however, has a very large falicy in that the size
MB>the network is not the determining factor as to who gets what and whe
MB>on PLanet Connect.  They are trying to serve all networks on the
MB>satellite, not just one.  Fidonet is no more important than RIME or a
MB>other network, we are just one of many networks on the satellite.

If size of net is the factor, that ought to silence the RIME vs FIDO
debates, since Internet is bigger. Fallacy of arguments hit right on
the head. Good marksmanship.
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 * Rocky Mountain Software  Salt Lake City, Ut  801-963-8721
 * PostLink(tm) v1.20 ROCKYMTN (#1384) : RelayNet(tm)

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From: RAY SNOW                               Number: 1376
  To: DENNIS MAIDON                            Date: 06/02/94  6:30p
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

DM>I put up with Bonnie's "Hitler" ways for 2 long and ardous years. ...

DM>I don't want to see RIME off the satellite but, I also don't
DM>enjoy having to read her crap day after day.


Hmmm... So if she has a bone to pick with someone else and does so
in response to their mail. And then you wish to have her censored.

But then you want everyone to tolerate you folks who jump into
the thread attacking either her or the other party with personal
attacks and names like "Hitler" or the like?

By your *own* arguments then, you're saying that we ought to censor
*both* of you.

Somehow, I don't think thats the answer.  ;-(
Give it some more thought!

No need to reply.
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 * Rocky Mountain Software  Salt Lake City, Ut  801-963-8721
 * PostLink(tm) v1.20 ROCKYMTN (#1384) : RelayNet(tm)

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From: NATE CHASE                             Number: 1377
  To: ALL                                      Date: 06/02/94  5:42a
Subj: Missing children                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

To All,
        Thought I saw GIF's of missing children once on the FIDO area
but don't see them now... Does anyone know what the filenames are
and where in the PC download file structure they are normally located?
        Thanks...
                                                Nate
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 * Omaha's Own HAWG WILD! BBS, Omaha, NE, [phone]
 * PostLink(tm) v1.20 HAWGWILD (#5008) : RelayNet(tm)

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From: BOB WATSON                             Number: 1378
  To: PATTY MORRIS                             Date: 06/02/94  6:10a
Subj: Bravo!                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

PM>    Bob, I should think you would hesitate to use the word stupid here
PM>since I wrote you a non-inflammatory message commenting upon the
PM>business aspects of Planet Connect's position, to which you responded


Why hesitate? The shoe fits, so wear it! The whole thread was about
service and you fido people start all of this butter bread crap. That
doesn't fly! The bread is moldy, so they'd better get a new loaf!
I really couldn't care less what the fight-o-net people in here think of
me. My opinions are just as correct and just as theirs!


                                        Bob
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 * The TAO BBS * Mercerville,NJ * [phone] * USR Dual Standard
 * PostLink(tm) v1.11  TAO (#1377) : RelayNet(tm)

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From: BOB WATSON                             Number: 1379
  To: JOHN DODSON                              Date: 06/02/94  6:10a
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JD>Psst, hey Bob... you're not acting obnoxious again are you?   Hmm..
JD>calling 26,000 sysops "stupid"?   You are a real charmer.

Psst, hey John... yes, I'm getting a lot like you! :)


                                        Bob
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 * The TAO BBS * Mercerville,NJ * [phone] * USR Dual Standard
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From: DAVE DENNETT                           Number: 1380
  To: ANTHONY GRILLO                           Date: 06/01/94 10:23p
Subj: Re: signal degradation                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

AG>The real answer is to get away from COAX completely and start using
AG>HELIAX.

I agree, however, most of these people are using this for hobby
installations, and would never be able to afford heliax.  Unless the
price has radically dropped, it would cost me more for the heliax than
it did for the entire KU setup from Planet Connect.

AG>If you want to stick with RG/6U (which is really obsolete) get a good
AG>grade of BELDEN equivalent. But don't direct bury it. Bury a 3/4"
AG>flexible PVC pipe that comes in various lengths. Feed the cable
AG>through it and provide drip loops as well as sealing the pipe with
AG>silicone. The cable will last a very long time.

I would love to do that also, however, I have a total of 2" of topsoil
over solid rock here where I live, so that would be a little out of the
question also.  It cost the phone company here over $1800 to install my
6 additional BBS lines, and that was just to go from the box out front
to my phone terminal box about 50' away.   They had to contract a
company to come bore a trench across my front yard.   Why they didnt
just dig a hole and run it across from a pole I have no idea.

AG>As for connectors, don't use the cheapie connectors that crimp on.
AG>Get solder connectors and do it right!

I have never seen solder F connectors, where do you find those at?

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 * CmpQwk 1.40b #111 * Ferret BBS * RIME * Throbnet * Smartnet * 10GB
 * Ferret BBS  N Little Rock AR  24K V.FC [phone]
 * PostLink(tm) v1.20 FERRET (#750) : RelayNet(tm)

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From: DAVE DENNETT                           Number: 1381
  To: PATTY MORRIS                             Date: 06/01/94 10:23p
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

PM>    Hopefully you aren't of the belief that I am one of the bent out
PM>of shape folks, because as long as it has no adverse effects on our
PM>system or it's operation I honestly don't care.

No, I was just replying to another message.

PM>responded simply because you commented that the sun neither rises nor
PM>sets upon FidoNet or it's membership and your message struck a chord

I really dont recall saying that.  I try not to insult or put down other
groups.   I think I said I was surprised about all the unprofessional
comments some of the net members were making, but I think that was about
all.   If I did say something derogatory about Fidonet, I apologize, as
I know absolutly nothing about it, and would not be in any place to
comment.

Dave

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 * CmpQwk 1.40b #111 * Ferret BBS * RIME * Throbnet * Smartnet * 10GB
 * Ferret BBS  N Little Rock AR  24K V.FC [phone]
 * PostLink(tm) v1.20 FERRET (#750) : RelayNet(tm)

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From: RODNEY D. MYERS                        Number: 1382
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 06/03/94 10:03a
Subj: Re: Thanks                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd,

In a message of 01 Jun 94 Boyd Goodin wrote to me:

 >> Thanks foryour reply concerning ARC vs. Zip of the nodediff.
 BG>
 BG>    Did I reply to you about that? Man am I getting goooooddddd. ;-)
 BG>
 BG>
 BG> ...Boyd

 BG> --- DB 1.58/004770
 BG>  * Origin: Planet Connect Satellite Uplink. Newport Tn. SATU.
 BG> (1:3615/50)

Sure you did...  Remember, along with the cheque that's in the mail.
;-)

Rodney Myers

... Chocography - Information describing the candy arrangement in box.
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From: CHUCK GUSTAFSON                        Number: 1383
  To: JIM OUELLETTE                            Date: 06/03/94 10:10p
Subj: Re: PC USENET FILES                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


On Thu 02-Jun-1994 19:55 thus spake Jim Ouellette unto Murray Pletsch:

 JO> machine to toss only the newsgroups would work well......The Fido backbone
 JO> takes about 6 hours here to process for about 75 downlinks,I might
 JO> add....so,I guess,you could still do it on the same mail machine that does
 JO> Fido,but it might take half a day or so.

I think you need a different tosser.  FastEcho tosses the backbone in about 10
minutes and then it takes another 15 minutes or so to pack the pacckets for the
other nodes.  (386DX40)

--- GoldED 2.42/D'Bridge 1.58/FastEcho 1.40
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From: PAUL CORMIER                           Number: 1384
  To: DON JOHNSON                              Date: 06/02/94  5:05p
Subj: FishNet International                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Get caught up in The FishNet!  Domain Name FISHNET.FTN

Do we have to send our replies directly to you, or can I just drop them
off at the Skyboard?

.Paul


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From: DAVE SKINNER                           Number: 1385
  To: RANDY EDWARDS                            Date: 06/03/94  3:05a
Subj: Re-zipping     <conto                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 RE> On May 29 01:14 94, Dave Skinner of 1:105/711 wrote:

 DS> I'm still fetching stuff from 105/50.   Can't seem to get Planet
 DS> Connect to answer my netmail so I can place an order.   !!!HINT HINT

 RE>    Why not just give Planet Connect a voice call at 615-623-4694?

I finally broke down and did call.  Ordered the receiver and FIDO.  Then I
needed to talk to someone *else* about USENET.  He was busy....  Different
someone else called me back an hour later....  I was gone...   I've been too
busy to start the telco tag again.  Email works really well for this type of
problem.

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From: DAVE SKINNER                           Number: 1386
  To: JOHN HRUSOVSZKY                          Date: 06/03/94  3:31a
Subj: Linux                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 JH> Help!  I have some of the linux files, but am also missing some, and not
 JH> sure which ones I am missing, or where to FREQ them.

 JH> What I currently have is:

<<<<stuff deleted

 JH> Which ones am I missing, and where can I FREQ them at high speed?

If you dont find them somewhere easy, give me a call in a couple of weeks and
I'll set you up to freq them off my voice line.   Until I get my own dish
online I'm picking them up via sneaker net.

--- Maximus/2 2.01wb
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From: MURRAY PLETSCH                         Number: 1387
  To: BOB WATSON                               Date: 06/02/94  1:51p
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > JS>how they are handling USENET.  Comments like the above quote certainly
 > JS>don't endear us to them!  I'd much rather have friends than enemies!

 > So would I, but you will never get it from their side. I'm

Hello again Bob:
   You really know how to win friends and influence people don't you.? In a
response to this last message of yours let me cut to the chase. Mr Jerry Schenk
is a gentleman from the Rime network.  Not sure how often he has posted in here
but from his message I have quoted he seems like a very nice chap.  After the
smoke has cleared, it appears that Ms Bonnie Anthony is a real person and
someone who could enhance our hobby.  So, in a nutshell, it appears the Rime
net folks are the same as Fidonet folks....we all put our pants on the same
way.

PS:
    Oh yes, one thing Bob......you are not the same as your Rime net
counterparts.  I am not sure what it is, but there is something very different
obout you....!

Regards...Murray

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From: MURRAY PLETSCH                         Number: 1388
  To: JIM OUELLETTE                            Date: 06/03/94  1:47p
Subj: PC USENET FILES                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >>     Do you forward the Usenet messages to any downlinks?  One big
 >> question in my mind is....if it takes 3 hours to get the Usenet
 >> messages and it takes an hour or two to toss them and pack them up
 >> for downlinks....and they take the entire dump, when do you get time
 >> to handle the fido mail and files, or do you...?

 > As I also just started tossing newsgroups,and it takes about 4
 > hours to 'extract' even my own groups,I would assume that having
 > a 'dedicated' machine to toss only the newsgroups would work
 > well......The Fido backbone takes about 6 hours here to process

Hmmmm....rather significant time/usage.  I am in the considering stage right
now, to add the Usenet stuff..!  It is not quite as simple and devoid of
additional equipment, as one may think.

Thanks kindly.......Murray

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From: MURRAY PLETSCH                         Number: 1389
  To: RANDY RILEY                              Date: 06/03/94  6:13p
Subj: Pc Usenet Files                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > the BBS, it is scheduled to run TICK as an event, so that
 > doesn't impact the satellite feed at all.

 > MP> Regards...Murray

 > snag I have run into is the "lack" of a good mail door that runs
 > under DOS and handles the News Groups in the UseNet, or InterNet
 > (whatever you call it) format.  Any suggestions?  I have a copy
 > of "ZIPNEWS" set up as a door, but it only allows packet
 > downloads (not an editor)....and is real greedy on memory,
 > apparently. I don't really like the look of Waffle's editor
 > either.....what else can we use?

Thanks for sharing your setup.  I am not tossing usenet...still thinking about
it.  As far as Mail Doors go ....I am not sure.  There are many folks on here
who are handling Usenet message areas and they should give you some help.

Regards....Murray

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From: BILL ARLOFSKI                          Number: 1390
  To: CHRIS VON MOTZ                           Date: 06/03/94  6:28p
Subj: Stuff                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Just like the "Ole Crapper" Huh??? <Gr>
 >
 > Chris.

The above was all I got in a message from you... Can you let me know what you
are referring to?

Bill Arlofski
Reverse Polarity BBS

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From: DAVE PETRUCCI                          Number: 1391
  To: JIM CRAIG                                Date: 06/03/94  2:44p
Subj: Re: Clinton                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >TG>Although Clinton's programs are Socialistic, alot of people don't view
 >Rush is noting of the sort, he's a gutless, whimpy Republican conservative
 > * WR  [NR] * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY
 >--- WM v3.10/92-0084
 > * Origin: Flite-Line BBS Lincoln Nebraska 1:285/203  (1:3615/51)
 >(1:285/203)

Jim,
       Tell your sysop that your posts are in the wrong
       conference... looks like a good case of cross-posting
       to me...
       Strange origin line too!...
Dave P.

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From: JIM WARD                               Number: 1392
  To: ALL                                      Date: 06/02/94  9:21p
Subj: AF2RA available                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello All!

    FOr those of you out there using ALLFIX and Remote Access I have a great
little utility written by one of our Net 103 people Joe Jared, Joe was gracious
enough to listen to my problem with importing the filebone areas into my RA
config file unlike the ALLFIX author who refused to even give it any
consideration for inclusion in his program Joe went right to work and whipped
up this little ditee in just one day, what it does is a life saver it takes the
areas.fix file from ALLFIX and writes a complete FILES.RA for Remote Access
2.01, all thats left after that is to run Genfbase and presto no more typing in
400 areas manually.

    Joe has graciously given me permission to make it available for file
request to all that need it, it is available on my system as magic name AF2RA
all hours accept mail hours, if you like it please express your gratitude to
Mr. Joe Jared at 103/506.1 I'm sure he would appreciate it immensly.

REQUEST FROM 1:103/121
MAGIC NAME AF2RA


Jim Ward


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From: DON BOSMAN                             Number: 1393
  To: BILL WERELEY                             Date: 06/03/94 12:03p
Subj: Am I all alone......                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Am I alone in the Universe or is anyone reading this?  I've seen
 > tons of
 > outgoing replies from here, but have yet to get a reply TO someone
 > here,
 > whether it be netmail or in an echo.  I'm truly beginning to doubt
 > that
 > PC is filling the bill.........
 > R.S.V.P., anyone?  Please?  P l e a s e ? ? ?

Well if you get this, we'll both know we are getting out and about.

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From: ƛ
║└N·@╗∙TK£¥δα£?π≥N╦              Number: 1394
  To: @YOK\└;RΘ∞ƒ∩╔╝δσ¥<JAß»LE                Date: 06/03/94  1:21a
Subj: T╜xi├1εezjo7/a8tµ∞o¢°                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

n:S\}o0dbN
2K:EP&8>+)]nUOV-5Q~5|6"q*K>[
t4cXlYX}o~U
~:hio`4,pPh-#Kflx"7KV:RxuRF/=>H+
O050tO1>9]z;3yk{BrX]]ot
~*YvI,qvkMK--- DB 1.58/000001
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From: 3-001030.01W 12231010.$P2              Number: 1395
  To: 00M 12231011.$P23-0020C                 Date: 06/03/94  1:12a
Subj: 020.$p23-0030hk.0af 122                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

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From: TONY CREMONESE                         Number: 1396
  To: RAY SNOW                                 Date: 06/03/94 10:21a
Subj: BONNIE BOO BOO :-)                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->1384


 "I think you may not understand Bonnie completely here. Let me offer a

Rather than give everyone the rules of getting along with Bonnie, why not
give Bonnie the rules of getting along with people? You could start with,
"Do unto others as" ... It would save time.

 "Some males these days struggle with an opposite gender who might be
 "aggressive

You new age sensitive guys crack me up. Bonnie is not an "opposite gender".
She is the opposite sex! You can say, "sex", can't you? Gender is grammar.

Bonnie reminds me of what they say about downeast yankees. They say it
takes a long, long time to really get to know one and once you do, you
usually find that it wasn't worth all the fuss.

Don't forget to cool off your white horse before you put him up.  :-)

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From: JOHN ROBERTS                           Number: 1397
  To: SYSOP                                    Date: 06/03/94  5:49p
Subj: OY ...                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 >n:S\}o0dbN
 >2K:EP&8>+)]nUOV-5Q~5|6"q*K>[
 >t4cXlYX}o~U
 >~:hio`4,pPh-#Kflx"7KV:RxuRF/=>H+
 >O050tO1>9]z;3yk{BrX]]ot
 >~*YvI,qvkMK--- DB 1.58/000001
 > * Origin: D'Bridge Help/Information: Freq. DB-154.Zip (1:3601/14)

... there it goes again ... someone's D'Bridge is D'Broken ... excuse
the message to "sysop", but it's in hopes that it will gain the
attention of the operator where these things are coming from ...

 -- SPEED 1.40 #1663: The ladder of success is never crowded at the top.

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From: CHARLIE CARTER                         Number: 1398
  To: BOB WATSON                               Date: 06/02/94 10:08a
Subj: Not the phone company                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Bob Watson rambled about Not the phone company to Sheila Lennon <=-

 BW> Yet another warm and welcome reply from a fight-o-net person. Why does
 BW> it seems that you all have to always be hostile? Is it your nets way
                       ^^^

I have sat back and watched this drivel go on and tried to ignore it,
but it sounds like _YOU_ have an attitude problem.  I don't think it is
fair to group all Fido SysOp's just because of your disagreement with a
few.  I don't think all RIME SysOp's are asses just because a few show
theirs................



... Results of your IQ test have come back. They are negative.
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From: CHRIS BATES                            Number: 1399
  To: DAN WILLIAMSON                           Date: 06/03/94  5:45a
Subj: Automation of Mail.                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > Yes. A shareware program called ZIP will transfer via serial
 > port at 115K and will accept command line arguements for
 > batch file execution. I tried it out before I set up with LAN
 > and found it to be very useful. The last version I saw wander
 > in my serial port was zip161.arj available here and probably
 > much closer to you.

Thanks a bundle!  I finally said to Heck with it, and I have just turned the
other computer into a mail server, and let it do it all via phone...

chris

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From: KEN FLORY                              Number: 1400
  To: N.L. HARGROVE                            Date: 06/03/94  5:09a
Subj: FidoNet Mail Delivery                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 NH> 1.  The most recent when the REC15 passed away.  I was
 NH> without mail for exactly 1 day.  And actually I got all
 NH> of that the next day.

That was an EXCELLENT recovery wasn't it! I was quite impressed with the work
Marv and company did on that one.

Later
Ken


--- Maximus 2.01wb
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From: KEN FLORY                              Number: 1401
  To: MARTIN BELCKE                            Date: 06/03/94  5:11a
Subj: Re: Re-Zipping                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 MB> Did you have it approved by the IC?  Any net level policy must be
 MB> approved by the IC before it is in force, as per Policy 4.

Not disputing, but could you quote the chapter and version of Pol4 that says
that? I'm not sure the IC would have the time to look at and approve all the
numerous Net policy's out there. (NC and NEC here with 0 Net policies)

Later
Ken


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From: CARL NAVARRO                           Number: 1402
  To: BOB WATSON                               Date: 06/02/94 12:32a
Subj: And Yo Mama..............               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Quoting Bob Watson to Carl Navarro <=-

 CN>echo about who gets the best treatment.  The carrier does NOT HAVE AN
 CN>OBLIGATION to carry all networks.

 BW> And that includes Fido too! Just remember that! It's a two way street
 BW> buddy! ===

Thank you for your well thought out response to my 2 page post, the gist of
which was that one person was generating an awful lot of noise over
treatment of an ahhhh MINOR (read less PC subscribers) network.

You pick out one and-a-half sentences and rip off a 15 word comment, complete
with 3 (count 'em) exclamation points!!!

In the future, please try not to read your mail, or operate a computer, after
consuming NutraSweet (tm) or caffeine, particularly diet colas.

Carl Navarro
BW> * PostLink(tm) v1.11  TAO (#1377) : RelayNet(tm)
                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^
I knew that!  :-)







... Could you miss the point if your were impaled upon it?
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From: BOB TROTMAN                            Number: 1403
  To: JIM TAYLOR                               Date: 06/05/94  6:36a
Subj: FishNet International                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Jim,

 > And making money.  If I remember correctly I got hit
 > with a netmail add
 > for fishnet 2 years ago (shoot, I thought your net
 > would be dead by now).
 > After wasting my time and FREQing your file I found
 > out it required the sysop
 > to pay $25.00 a year or $25.00 a month or something
 > like that, to be "in"
 > Fishnet

 > Just thought I would let folks know there is a cost
 > before they go and
 > Freq your info packet.

Thats news to me, I have been in fishnet 2 years now and I haven't been asked
to pay a penny!

Bobby

 >
 > Jim
 >
 >  * JTEDIT 1.0 * On a clear disk you can seek forever
 >
 >
 > --- WM v3.01/93-0902
 >  * Origin: Rocky Mountain Rendezvous: Cheyenne WY
 > (307-638-8506)  (1:310/5.0)


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From: GEORGE VANDERVORT                      Number: 1404
  To: NATE CHASE                               Date: 06/04/94  2:33p
Subj: Missing children                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Nate!

Thursday June 02 1994 05:42, Nate Chase wrote to All:

 NC> To All,
 NC>         Thought I saw GIF's of missing children once on the FIDO area
 NC> but don't see them now... Does anyone know what the filenames are
 NC> and where in the PC download file structure they are normally located?
 NC>         Thanks...
 NC>                                                 Nate
 NC> -+- DB 1.52-OS/2/001251
 NC>  + Origin: Blue Lake Systems (1:105/285)


Their on the FILEBONE MISCHILD file Area,
but the last batch I got was date 4-30-94
Except for one file on 5-23-94

   National Missing Child Network Files
   Also Read the Nat'l Missing Child Forum in the EchoMail area


CHILDLST.ZIP MISSING LIST Listing of All Missing Child GIFs Distributed.
CHILDMIS.ZIP MISSING LIST Listing of Missing Child GIFs.
CHILDFND.ZIP FOUND LIST Listing of Found Children.
CHLDTIPS.ZIP CHILD PROTECT Child protection Tips

KALI_P.GIF    MISSING CHILD Kali Poulton, Pittsford,N.Y.,05/23/94

Regards,
George Vandervort
InterNet: [e-mail]

...24 hours in a day and 24 beers in a case. Hmmmm...

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From: JOHN ROBINSON                          Number: 1405
  To: JOHN HRUSOVSZKY                          Date: 06/03/94  3:53p
Subj: Re: Re-zipping                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello There John!

In a message to Bob Watson on <05/29/94> John Hrusovszky said the
following:

JH>  BW> You Fido people just don't get it! It's hard to believe that
JH>  BW> such large collection of people can all be so stupid! It is
JH>  BW> beyond belief....

JH> Stupid?  I believe it is _YOU_, sir, that just passed the duck test.

I had to respond..<G>..  I had to read "His" post twice because I could
not believe he said what he did... Are they teaching speed learning as
well as reading.?  God, The world is in trouble with people running
around with an outlook like his..........<g>



John R.

 * WCE 1.5/2035 * Isn't it kinda DARK and Lonesome up there at Times.?

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From: CHRIS VON MOTZ                         Number: 1406
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 06/04/94  3:44p
Subj: Addressing procedures.                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


Hi Boyd ,

In your Fido.txt you ask us to use 1:3615/51 for tossing incoming mail.

In another PcInfo.txt , you state that our own Fido address should be used as
the originator.

Well , I toss with Interecho , which processes the mail just fine , but id I
send mail out from here , I would have to change every area's set up with my
own address.

I find this confusing as well as controversial.

In the tosser , I can set my originating BBS address , and enter any AKA I have
in my list , but I cannot set it for 1:3615/51 for incoming and than change it
to 1:143/238 for outgoing without going to a lot of keyboard thumping.

Could you please give me some clear and concise instructions as to how to make
this work properly.

Thanks for your help.

Chris.

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From: LORI SMITH                             Number: 1407
  To: JACK WILLIAMS                            Date: 06/04/94  4:49p
Subj: Re: Software                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JW*>Hi, Brian. I was just explaining to Lori Smith that my extraction software
JW*>was not written as shareware...and that if there was sufficient demand for
JW*>that I would convert it to shareware.... It would take a bit of time to


Demand ... Demand ... Demand ... Demand ... Demand ... Demand ...
 ... [ VBG ] ...

Hello again Jack...

Just helping to support your software! :-)

                                +Lori+

 * OLX 2.1 * I'm not lost; I'm "locationally challenged."

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From: LORI SMITH                             Number: 1408
  To: BILL WERELEY                             Date: 06/04/94  4:49p
Subj: Am I All Alone......                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

BW*>Am I alone in the Universe or is anyone reading this?  I've seen tons of
BW*>outgoing replies from here, but have yet to get a reply TO someone here,
BW*>whether it be netmail or in an echo.  I'm truly beginning to doubt that
BW*>PC is filling the bill.........
BW*>R.S.V.P., anyone?  Please?  P l e a s e ? ? ?

Got ya here in Indiana Bill.. What's NY like!? :-)

I wouldn't always put the blame on Planet Connect, as you
always have to put into consideration software glitches.<g>

But regardless, you are making it out loud and clear now....
Welcome!
                                +Lori+

 * OLX 2.1 * No bathroom? Just go boldly where no one has gone before


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From: SCOTT MCNAY                            Number: 1409
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 06/03/94 11:10p
Subj: Showing your ignorance                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Terry!

SM> Anyone with a reasonable grasp of assembler, the essentials
SM> of TSRs, and access to a DOS function reference would be
SM> able to write such a thing.  The problem with doing what you
SM> want is that it would likely take so long to copy the file
SM> to the HD that you would probably miss the beginning of the
SM> next file.

TB> That has been exactly my point.  So the conclusion is that
TB> in practical reality it can't be done.

On the contrary, in practical reality it is quite straightforward.  Simply hook
into the DOS interrupt and then go resident.  Whenever PTCCMAIN's temp file is
renamed (assuming that one is simply using the ramdisk as a buffer), remember
the new name, and open the file again.  Then, whenever PTCCMAIN writes the next
file to the ramdisk, sneak in a read from the previously closed file, and then
write to the hard disk.  Since everything can be done during DOS calls by the
foreground program, there is no need to worry about the problems and
undocumented functions associated with calling DOS from the timer tick.  The
result is a TSR that follows all of DOS's rules.

--Scott.

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From: ROBERT HILGAR                          Number: 1410
  To: BOB WATSON                               Date: 06/02/94  7:41a
Subj: Your whining                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Bob!

Replying to a message of Bob Watson to Bonnie Anthony:

 BW> I believe they would feel better if they weren't sent at all! I get
 BW> the feeling in here that the fight-o-net people don't like anyone but
 BW> themselves. Sad, really sad....

        Sad, really sad that you believe that. Personally, I do feel that RIME
should be off the satellite, not because I only like Fido, but because the
network sucks. As for us liking ourselves, what's this:

_=> Subject: Fidonet Qfront conference
-=> Note:
Forwarded (from: PCBOARD) by Ray Cava using timEd.
Originally from Rob Kittredge (1:248/1.0) to David Freeman.
Original dated: May 25 '94, 16:44

-> Rob why don't you ask Bonnie about gating this conf. with the Rime support
-> conf?

I talked to one of the main honchos with Rime (I think it was Jim Walls or
someone like that), and he said absolutely not, no Fido conference would be
echoed into Rime.
:-) R.K.
========================================
 BW>                                         Bob
 BW> ===
 BW>  * DeLuxe 1.26b #1134s * The TAO BBS - Mercerville,NJ - [phone]
 BW> * The TAO BBS * Mercerville,NJ * [phone] * USR Dual Standard  *
 BW> PostLink(tm) v1.11  TAO (#1377) : RelayNet(tm)


        Also, the garbage below your name is another thing I personally don't
like about RIME. It would be nice if when you are in a Fido conf., you would
refrain from adding such irrelevant trash to the end of your messages.

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From: ROBERT HILGAR                          Number: 1411
  To: BILL WERELEY                             Date: 06/03/94  8:13a
Subj: Am I all alone......                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Bill!

Replying to a message of Bill Wereley to All:

 BW> Am I alone in the Universe or is anyone reading this?  I've seen tons
 BW> of outgoing replies from here, but have yet to get a reply TO someone
 BW> here, whether it be netmail or in an echo.  I'm truly beginning to
 BW> doubt that PC is filling the bill.........

        PC is filling the bill. You've made it to my system, soooo, you made it
to all the satellite systems.

                                                 Robert

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From: CHARLEY WEBB                           Number: 1412
  To: ALL                                      Date: 06/04/94  9:27p
Subj: Usenet?                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I just recently got my planet connect system up and running, and decided to
setup the UseNet message bases. I read a message that comes over the satellite
system daily, and it refers to a date of 12/93. Stating that Planet connect is
sending out newsgroup messages, averaging about 50Mg per day.
It also mentions at the time of 12/93 that Planet Connect wasn't ablle to
handle replies to usenet messages yet, and that hopefully within a 60 day
period that they would. I subscribed to everything planet connect offers.

My problem is this, I have to use a BAG tosser, WaterGate, to handle all the
messges, no problem. BUT I cannot find a message anywhere that says where the
replies can be sent back to.

The setup I have now, will toss out the BAGS, but then will decide that all of
them should be bundled up and sent to Holonet, where I have an account, and
thought that all newsgroup replies go to Holonet.

There is NO WAY that I can stop WaterGate from thinking that every BAG in from
Planet Connect is also for Holonet, basically It wants to send Holonet this
40Mgs of mail. Its not as simple as routing the Fidonet mail, and I haven't
been able to find an answer on this problem at all, and dont want to start
sending replies to Planet Connect, unless they are setup for NewsGroup replies.

Any help would BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.

BTW: I thought there was a FLAME echo for some of the messages I saw in this
area!!!!!

... Help! I can't find the "ANY" key.
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From: MARTIN BELCKE                          Number: 1413
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 06/04/94  1:53a
Subj: Re: Re-zipping     <conto               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> > that my software is stuck with.
->
->    You know who to bug about that dont you?

Yep.  Mustang Software, since I use Wildcat!.  Hopefully, 4.x will be
better.

--Martin--

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From: MARTIN BELCKE                          Number: 1414
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 06/04/94  2:39a
Subj: Re: Re-zipping                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> > Just a little ribbin', Boyd, nothing personal.
->
->    My ribs are sore enough!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hear that a little barbeque sauce will help make them feel real
tender.

--Martin--

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From: MARTIN BELCKE                          Number: 1415
  To: FOXY FERGUSON                            Date: 06/04/94  7:08p
Subj: Re: Re-Zipping                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> I understood the IC post was temporarily vacant. When did the new one
-> get s/elected and WHO is s/he? We've sent copies of the pre-vote draf
-> and now the final policy to the Region18 RC & REC, and to Zone1 ZC &
-> ZEC. Who else do we need to get it ok'd with? It's seperate from the
-> other net policy, btw, as it just deals with echomail.

Sounds like you are headed in the right direction.  There is, at this
time, no IC.  As per Policy 4, however, the IC has to approve net
policies in order for them to be in force.  Since there i no IC, that
would be a bit difficult (grin).....  If Bob Satti approves of it, you
probably won't have much problem...

--Martin--

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From: JONATHAN HART                          Number: 1416
  To: JOHN ROBERTS                             Date: 06/04/94 10:00p
Subj: Oy ...                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

John,

-> >~*YvI,qvkMK--- DB 1.58/000001 > * Origin: D'Bridge Help/Information:
                           ^^^^^^
-> ...but it's in hopes that it will gain the attention of the
-> operator where these things are coming from ...

   I can tell you from the key number above, that this message came from
the author of D'Bridge, Chris Irwin.

Jonathan Hart

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From: JOHN HRUSOVSZKY                        Number: 1417
  To: DAVE SKINNER                             Date: 06/04/94  5:22p
Subj: Re: Linux                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 JH>> Help!  I have some of the linux files, but am also missing some,
 JH>> and not sure which ones I am missing, or where to FREQ them.
 JH>> What I currently have is:

 DS> <<<<stuff deleted

 JH>> Which ones am I missing, and where can I FREQ them at high speed?

 DS> If you dont find them somewhere easy, give me a call in a
 DS> couple of weeks and I'll set you up to freq them off my voice
 DS> line.   Until I get my own dish online I'm picking them up via
 DS> sneaker net.

Thanks, Dave.  Will do.  I've found one place, but it is in British
Columbia, and I don't like paying those type of phone rates <G>.

--jah

... 4 out of 10 Americans are Fools!  The Election Proved it!
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From: JOHN HRUSOVSZKY                        Number: 1418
  To: RAY SNOW                                 Date: 06/04/94  5:22p
Subj: Re: Inbound Files                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 RS> In my ACONFIG.SKY, how can I change the following example line
 RS> to route the file to the great bit bucket in the sky (NUL)
 RS> instead:

 RS> :rulebase, *,   16   *,      *,    *,    *,  disk, J:\UNINET/,

Do this, Ray:

     :rulebase, *,   16,  *,      *,    *,    *,  disk, nul/,  *

That should take care of it for you.


--jah

... Ben Dover & C. Howit Feels -- Attorneys at Law
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From: LEE BONNIFIELD                         Number: 1419
  To: RAY SNOW                                 Date: 06/05/94 12:50a
Subj: Inbound files                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 RS> In my ACONFIG.SKY, how can I change the following example line to
 RS> route the file to the great bit bucket in the sky (NUL) instead:

 RS> :rulebase, *,   16   *,      *,    *,    *,  disk, J:\UNINET/,    *


     :rulebase, *,   16   *,      *,    *,    *,  disk, J:\UNINET\NUL/,    *
or
     :rulebase, *,   16   *,      *,    *,    *,  disk, NUL/,    *

will do it. Don't forget to run MAKECFG.EXE after you edit.
Instructions are in \SKYDATA\PERSONAL\ACONFIG.SKY .

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From: EDDIE MONEY                            Number: 1420
  To: TIM FIERRO                               Date: 06/04/94 11:11p
Subj: Sometimes you still have                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Tim!

Friday June 03 1994 17:14, Tim Fierro wrote to Eddie Money:

 EM>  TF>> *@SUBJECT:Sometimes you still have to delete them :)
 EM>  TF>> N 04053107 ZIP       178,577 05-31-94   4:33p
 EM>>
 EM>  TF>> Just because you have ; K:\GARBAGE\NUL\
 EM>>

 TF> Don't tell some of the folks in here, they are convinced that the

I want say a word.
see ya

Eddie

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From: EDDIE MONEY                            Number: 1421
  To: NATE CHASE                               Date: 06/04/94 11:16p
Subj: Missing children                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Nate!

Thursday June 02 1994 05:42, Nate Chase wrote to All:

 NC> To All,
 NC>         Thought I saw GIF's of missing children once on the FIDO area
 NC> but don't see them now... Does anyone know what the filenames are
 NC> and where in the PC download file structure they are normally located?
 NC>         Thanks...
 NC>                                                 Nate

I think the tag name is MISCHILD for that file area. I have gotten a few in but
not any in maybe the last month.

Eddie

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From: EDDIE MONEY                            Number: 1422
  To: MARK ADKINS                              Date: 06/04/94 11:18p
Subj: Bravo!                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Mark!

Thursday June 02 1994 06:10, Bob Watson wrote to Patty Morris:

 PM>> Bob, I should think you would hesitate to use the word stupid here
 PM>> since I wrote you a non-inflammatory message commenting upon the
 PM>> business aspects of Planet Connect's position, to which you responded


 BW> Why hesitate? The shoe fits, so wear it! The whole thread was about
 BW> service and you fido people start all of this butter bread crap. That
 BW> doesn't fly! The bread is moldy, so they'd better get a new loaf!
 BW> I really couldn't care less what the fight-o-net people in here think of
 BW> me. My opinions are just as correct and just as theirs!


 BW>                                         Bob
 BW> -+-
 BW>  * DeLuxe 1.26b #1134s * The TAO BBS - Mercerville,NJ - [phone]
 BW>  * The TAO BBS * Mercerville,NJ * [phone] * USR Dual Standard
 BW>  * PostLink(tm) v1.11  TAO (#1377) : RelayNet(tm)

 BW> -+- DB 1.52-OS/2/001251
 BW>  + Origin: Blue Lake Systems (1:105/285)

Mark I believe that you have had at least one complain on this guy, make that
two.
Hope that is enough to get him out of here.



Eddie

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From: PATRICK MARTIN                         Number: 1423
  To: BOB WATSON                               Date: 06/02/94  7:14a
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Bob!

On May 26 17:51 94, Bob Watson of 1:105/285 wrote:


 BW> You Fido people just don't get it! It's hard to believe
 BW> that such large collection of people can all be so stupid!
 BW> It is beyond belief....

Bzzzzzzt!  Many would say you've done quite enough name calling Mr. Watson.


Cheers,

Pat

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From: ELVIS HARGROVE                         Number: 1424
  To: TIM FIERRO                               Date: 06/04/94  3:56a
Subj: Re: International Genealo               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Quoting Tim Fierro to Elvis Hargrove <=-

 TF> Hey Elvis, you don't need the ORIGIN information inside PCBoard.

     Jeeze Tim, I didn't know it was IN there.  I certainly don't
     remember turning that function ON in my PCBsetup. (I know better)

     Is it just in this conference or have you seen it in others?
     (Or had I better just go CHECK all the conferences?) <grin>

     Certainly 'preciate you letting me know. (Never see my own
     messages)


     ^..^


... A feature is a bug with seniority.
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From: ELVIS HARGROVE                         Number: 1425
  To: BOB WATSON                               Date: 06/04/94  3:56a
Subj: Re: You suck i am goin to               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Quoting Bob Watson to Eric Patton <=-

 BW> Come on guy! Why must you post this crap in this conference?

     Why do you feel compelled to QUOTE it?  Seeing it ONCE was
     enough.  Don't you realize he'll never see your cute comebacks?

     ^..^

... Open mouth, insert foot, echo internationally.
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From: ELVIS HARGROVE                         Number: 1426
  To: TIM FIERRO                               Date: 06/04/94  4:16a
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Then start your own conference instead of gating the FidoNet one and
-> complaining in it.

I think you may be wasting your breath Tim.  Methinks perhaps he's got WOR.
(Write Only Ram)

BTW, you were sure right.  I'd stumped my finger on the cursor key and dropped
one line too low in my conference setup before mashing the "Y" (I'd added quite
a few echos that day)  Good thing I looked too becasue a LOT of my conferences
still had the OLD IDX flag turned on and were costing me a good deal of hard
drive space.

Thanx again.  (It's not on THIS message isit?)  <Grin>

^..^
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From: ELVIS HARGROVE                         Number: 1427
  To: DON JOHNSON                              Date: 06/04/94  4:20a
Subj: Re: International Genealo               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> N.L. Hargrove..... why does that name ring a bell?

Could be because everywhere I go, Jake's been there before me!  We once got
thrown out of the same echo in the same week.  Jake first of course....
(The moderator was so dumb he thought we were one person.  Nearly a thousand
miles between our personalities. <Grin>)

^..^
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From: ELVIS HARGROVE                         Number: 1428
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 06/04/94  4:23a
Subj: Showing your ignorance                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> That has been exactly my point.  So the conclusion is that in practical
-> reality it can't be done.

Not until somebody DOES it.  (I never said *I* wanted to.)

or cared

^..^
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From: ELVIS HARGROVE                         Number: 1429
  To: PATTY MORRIS                             Date: 06/04/94  4:37a
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->   Uhm, Elvis...  Those 5 lines are the result of his Postlink
->                     --)@  Patty  @(--

Sorry Patti, I got carried away....

Getting called stupid repeatedly, DOES that to me.

I'll do better I swear.
(But does it HAVE to add all that crap?)
<Grin>

^..^
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From: RODNEY D. MYERS                        Number: 1430
  To: DON JOHNSON                              Date: 06/04/94 10:34a
Subj: Re: Networks and forwarding             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Don

In a message of 02 Jun 94 Don Johnson wrote to me:

 DJ> Rodney D. Myers had these words of wisdom for Boyd Goodin. These words
 DJ> were uttered 01 Jun 94  06:21:35.

 RDM>> Can you tell which file(s) contain a list of networks that can/cannot
 RDM>> be forwarded to downlinks?

 DJ> Well, I'll tell ya this..... every night, you should be getting a file
 DJ> called FISHNET.ZI#, which can be passed down to ANY system with a valid
 DJ> FishNet node number, Zone 21.

 DJ> Don Johnson

 DJ> ---
 DJ>  * Origin: Chivalry IS alive!  Saturday Knights  303-420-8927
 DJ> (1:104/531)

Thanks... A couple of systems are looking at dropping their
connection to the AC, and pull things from use.

Rodney Myers

... URA Redneck if: your front porch collapses & kills more than 3 dogs.
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From: RODNEY D. MYERS                        Number: 1431
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 06/04/94 10:35a
Subj: Re: Networks and forwarding             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd,

In a message of 02 Jun 94 Boyd Goodin wrote to me:

 >> Can you tell which file(s) contain a list of networks that can/cannot be
 >> forwarded to downlinks?
 BG>
 BG>
 BG>     Each network has its own control over this. Since we do not process
 BG> anything else but Fido, administration of the other networks are
 BG> handled within thier own network. You will have to contact each one and
 BG> see what they say.
 BG>
 BG> ...Boyd

 BG> --- DB 1.58/004770
 BG>  * Origin: Planet Connect Satellite Uplink. Newport Tn. SATU.
 BG> (1:3615/50)

Man ain't the satellite quick ;-)

Actually, I was more interested in knowing about usenet... Since it's
only 45 meg or so a day.

Rodney Myers

... "It's Ensign Metal...he's lead, Jim!"
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From: MARK ADKINS                            Number: 1432
  To: JOHN DODSON                              Date: 06/04/94  1:18a
Subj: Not the phone company                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> As both a Rime and a Fido node I thank you very very much for this
-> post and I wish you luck as a conference host on getting this message
-> to sink in!

I'm as tired of reading all of the dribble as you are John. It wasn't
bad enough the same thing has to take place in NetAdmin for months, now
it's here in an echo that RIME is a guest in.

It's going to stop I can assure you. This is NOT the place to sling mud
at anyone.

As you I too am a member of FidoNet and have been for a lot longer than
I've been a RIME memeber. There are rules for both networks. Being the
Conference Host for this RIME 'Conference' the RIME rules for RIME users
are going to have to be met and one of these is no personal attacks.
Both networks have the nusience <-sp (been working 16 hr shifts, I'm
beat) rule and this is becoming just that in Royal form.

We're all humans, Women, Men, Boys and Girls and there isn't any need or
reason or need or want for any of these network against network
messages.

We as Sysop's are all trying to reach the same goal no matter what
network(s) we're in. We're trying to provide the best for our users
while trying to save ourselfs some money along the way. I've had it with
$1300 - $1900 yearly long distance phone bills to bring in
conferences/echos.

Nothing is perfect. Land lines cost money and you see errors there too.
PC isn't perfect you drop a packet from time to time and have to wait
for the next cycle to pick it up. Big deal..

The folks at PC are doing a great job and they are working with several
networks not just one. In my area there's a constant problem with one
local echo in Fido that can't make it across town (14 miles away)
without someone's hub and the hub's nodes not getting all of the
messages. 14 miles via land line and they can't make it yet we receive
megs and megs of files that travel 46,000 miles for aprox $1.33 a day.

I hope all of the people in Fido and the other networks that are
receiving this echo don't judge the RIME network as a whole by the
actions of a few.

I've never used Insulate.net before and I've been in RIME since '87 but
there's always a first time. (is it still called that???)

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From: MARK ADKINS                            Number: 1433
  To: RAY SNOW                                 Date: 06/04/94  1:22a
Subj: Inbound files                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> In my ACONFIG.SKY, how can I change the following example line to
-> route the file to the great bit bucket in the sky (NUL) instead:
->
-> :rulebase, *,   16   *,      *,    *,    *,  disk, J:\UNINET/,    *

:rulebase, *,  16  *,    *,   *,   *,  disk, nul/, *

Don't forget to run makecfg after you make the change.

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From: MARK ADKINS                            Number: 1434
  To: RAY SNOW                                 Date: 06/04/94  1:24a
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> But then you want everyone to tolerate you folks who jump into
-> the thread attacking either her or the other party with personal
-> attacks and names like "Hitler" or the like?

Ray lets drop it and make this a friendly place to visit.

Thanks,

Mark
RIME CH

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From: MARK ADKINS                            Number: 1435
  To: DON JOHNSON                              Date: 06/04/94  1:29a
Subj: Re: international genealo               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Don how did you came by the name of FishNet?

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From: JERRY SHENK                            Number: 1436
  To: ALL                                      Date: 06/03/94  1:05p
Subj: Usenet file conversion                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I'd like to be able to conver the USENET .BAG files (inside the
ZIPs) to .x & .d files.  How can I do that?

I'm running UUPCB when I do uucp connections to my mail host I get
back these pairs of .X and .D files.  If I take a .X/.D pair and
copy the uncompressed .BAG file that came from the bird over the
.D file then UUPCB will import that file without a bit of a problem.
I'm looking for a way to automate that process.  The way I'm doing
it is certainly a kludge and I'm wondering if there's a 'right' way
to do that or what the ramifications might be of doing it the way
I'm doing it.
---
 * SPEED 1.40 #1649 * If voting changed anything, Congress would outlaw it...
 * Lancaster Area Bulletin Board * Lancaster, PA [phone]
 * PostLink(tm) v1.20 LABB (#32) : Relaynet (tm)

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From: JERRY SHENK                            Number: 1437
  To: BOB WATSON                               Date: 06/03/94  1:56p
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

BW> So would I, but you will never get it from their side. I'm getting sick
  > and tired of coming in here each day and seeing them trash and spit at
  > us. Wake up! You will never get any respect from the fido people in here
  > as long as you are one of the "RIME" people. Very sad display on their
  > part. Yes, I will bash back if someone bashes me first, and they are

Just stop bashing.  Just take it for awhile and it'll stop.
---
 * SPEED 1.40 #1649 * Feel lucky????  Update your software!
 * Lancaster Area Bulletin Board * Lancaster, PA [phone]
 * PostLink(tm) v1.20 LABB (#32) : Relaynet (tm)

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From: JERRY SHENK                            Number: 1438
  To: JEFF WARD                                Date: 06/03/94  1:56p
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JW>  Thanks for the kind words Jerry. I'm sure most everyone in here will be
  > glad to help you out in any way they can. At least we do see that there
  > are folks in RIME who want information on how this works. Welcome
  > aboard!

I just posted a message about how to pull in USENET stuff.  My software
is set up to handle .X & .D files.  Do you know of a way to convert the
uncompressed .BAG files that come off the bird to a ".x/.d pair"?  I
have been able kludge an import through and I suppose I could automate
that kludge with a batch file but it's not the right way to do it and I
wonder if their might be ramifications later for my cheating.
---
 * SPEED 1.40 #1649 * Only dead fish swim with the stream.
 * Lancaster Area Bulletin Board * Lancaster, PA [phone]
 * PostLink(tm) v1.20 LABB (#32) : Relaynet (tm)

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From: JERRY SHENK                            Number: 1439
  To: PATTY MORRIS                             Date: 06/03/94  1:56p
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JS> I'm gonna be using them as soon as I get things set up.  I'd
JS> like to drop USENET from my long distance uucp connection.

PM>     Jerry, I was wondering what UUCP software and service you're using
  > if you don't mind telling.  I need to set up something to handle this
  > here as well as connect with a service to provide an uplink for return
  > mail but when I tried to read the fine manual(s) for some of the various
  > softwares my eyes glazed over and my brain hurt.  <g>

I'm using UUPCB and like it quite well.  I'm importing into PCB 14.5
format.  They also support 15.x but I don't support that on my end.
It really works quite well.  I use clarknet for my connection.  They
are reasonable and fairly reliable.  They're in Baltimore which is a
problem for me ($$$) but somebody else is gonna have a POP (Point of
Presence) in Lancaster so I'll be switching REAL soon....maybe a week
or 10 days.  They are waiting for phone lines to be installed (T1 lines
actually).

I know what you mean about your eyes glazing over!  The worst thing is
that to get the info on how to get on the Internet you need to be on
the Internet!  It took me 6 months of research (not full time obviously-
I have a job) to figure out how to do get connected.  I'll bet I had at
least 30 hours of research in on that one!
---
 * SPEED 1.40 #1649 * Computers Make Very Fast, Very Accurate Mistakes..
 * Lancaster Area Bulletin Board * Lancaster, PA [phone]
 * PostLink(tm) v1.20 LABB (#32) : Relaynet (tm)

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From: DAVE DENNETT                           Number: 1440
  To: BOB WATSON                               Date: 06/03/94  4:42a
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Bob Watson * Yes, I will  bash back if someone bashes  me first, and they
             are always the first to start bashing.

Real  interesting, and  just what  do you  think this  will accomplish to
further our relationship in the network world?

You arent even running postlink 120, so you must be on landline.

---
 * SM 1.05 A0045 * Ferret BBS * 501-791-0124 * Smartnet * Rime * Throbnet
 * Ferret BBS  N Little Rock AR  24K V.FC [phone]
 * PostLink(tm) v1.20 FERRET (#750) : RelayNet(tm)

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From: DAVE DENNETT                           Number: 1441
  To: ALL                                      Date: 06/03/94  4:42a
Subj: Usenet                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I am currently getting  usenet via phone. The files  come in groups, like
such:
00xu.d    (file)
0n0xu.x   (index)

It is  then read by  UUPCB which unpacks  them to some  other format, and
reads them into the PCB Message bases.
If i was to subscribe to the Planet Connect Usenet files, do they come in
the same format (filenames dont appear  to be similar at all)? Will UUPCB
import them?  Do I need some other program?

Assuming I did get them working, is  it possible to upload a message to a
newsgroup  (received by  satellite) that  isnt carried  by the system you
would be sending outgoing mail to?

I am not very knowlegable about Usenet, and its formats at all.

Thanks,
Dave

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 * SM 1.05 A0045 * Ferret BBS * 501-791-0124 * Smartnet * Rime * Throbnet
 * Ferret BBS  N Little Rock AR  24K V.FC [phone]
 * PostLink(tm) v1.20 FERRET (#750) : RelayNet(tm)

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From: SHEILA LENNON                          Number: 1442
  To: RAY SNOW                                 Date: 06/04/94  2:02p
Subj: Re-zipping     <conto                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Ray Snow (1:105/285) on Tue, May 31, wrote to Bill Whitehouse:

 RS>Some males these days struggle with an opposite gender who might be
 RS>aggressive or very persistent at times. But they are more
 RS>comfortable/able to deal with males of the same type. Interesting.

     You sent this to my husband, and we had a good chuckle over it. Believe
me, he holds his own. (;

 RS>Bonnie's human. A very nice person that most people I have seen have
 RS>learned to work with nicely and effectively.

    When a newcomer enters a group, it's not up to the group to bend to the
newcomer. We are all represented by the persona we ourselves choose to present.
    I appreciate the affection for Bonnie your effort shows, but I'd be
embarassed if someone felt a need to explain me in an echo I'm active in.

 RS>      Her professional daytime job is more stress,
 RS>      pressure and frustration than many folks ever see or ever want.

    I don't know how creampuffs like us handle these jobs and echomail too!
<laughing>

    (I work in a newsroom as an editor of a major metro daily newspaper.)

 RS>      And RIME is her hobby after she comes home from that zoo.

    RIME is a business, isn't it?

 RS>Hope the perspective helps.

    Many of the qualities you describe would be delightful to see publicly in
this echo.

 ....sheila

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From: JOHN DODSON                            Number: 1443
  To: BOB WATSON                               Date: 06/04/94  6:05p
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

BW>Psst, hey John... yes, I'm getting a lot like you! :)

If you could only be so lucky!

The difference is (in case you had not noticed)... many folks, including
the CH are telling _you_ to cease.  :)

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From: TOM WYRICK                             Number: 1444
  To: FOXY FERGUSON                            Date: 05/31/94  2:55p
Subj: Nets on Planet Connect                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Well,as a sysop who is currently considering purchasing a satellite dish and
joining Planet Connect,I can tell you that the Fidonet echos and the SDN Net
file echo via Fido is the #1 reason I'm considering the purchase. I might pay
extra for the Usenet conferences - but only if I also get another link to
the Internet so my users can send back reply messages. (That starts to get
to be an expensive endeavor - so I'm not too sure about that yet....)

These other smaller nets offered on Planet Connect don't interest me much
at all. I'm sure I'd review the echos they offer and perhaps carry one or
two specialized ones if they were of interest - but Fidonet is the clincher
for me. The rest is just "fluff" as far as I'm concerned.

Just wanted to add my 2 cents worth here as one who doesn't even have this
service yet but was seriously looking at getting it.....


... "Could you continue your petty bickering? I find it most intriguing."
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12


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From: BILL WOLF                              Number: 1445
  To: JIM TAYLOR                               Date: 06/04/94  5:18p
Subj: FishNet International                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > DJ>Get caught up in The FishNet!  Domain Name FISHNET.FTN

 > DJ>The FishNet is a network of SysOps throughout the WORLD who's goal is in
 > DJ>expanding the communication between people using Telecomunications
 > without
 > DJ>the problems and politics associated with other Networks.  The FishNet is
 > a
 > DJ>family orientated network, and the major rule is...  HAVE FUN!!!!!

 > And making money.  If I remember correctly I got hit
 > with a netmail add
 > for fishnet 2 years ago (shoot, I thought your net
 > would be dead by now).
 > After wasting my time and FREQing your file I found
 > out it required the sysop
 > to pay $25.00 a year or $25.00 a month or something
 > like that, to be "in"
 > Fishnet.


Hmm..  I was in it for awhile, and it didn't cost me anything..  Perhaps you
are thinking of a different net?  Or perhaps things have changed..



TakeCare!
Bill

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From: JOE PATTERSON                          Number: 1446
  To: MARTIN BELCKE                            Date: 06/03/94  7:01a
Subj: Re: Re-zipping                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 MB> Now if I had really wanted to streatch the point, I could have said that
 MB> the udder disaster could result in a titillating experience, but I
 MB> wouldn't want to be accused of pulling anyones leg, errr...........


:{) <GBG> Thanks, I needed that.

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From: JOE PATTERSON                          Number: 1447
  To: BOB WATSON                               Date: 06/03/94  7:37a
Subj: You suck i am goin to kic               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 BW> Come on guy! Why must you post this crap in this conference? We do not
 BW> care about your sexual conduct!
 BW> ---


No, but you took the trouble to re-post it for him.

--- Maximus/2 2.01wb
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From: JOE PATTERSON                          Number: 1448
  To: BOB WATSON                               Date: 06/03/94  7:42a
Subj: subject deleted                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 BW> Go away!
 BW> ---
 BW>  * DeLuxe 1.26b #1134s * The TAO BBS - Mercerville,NJ - [phone]


And again you had to re-post this childs garbage for all the world to once
again endure.

--- Maximus/2 2.01wb
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From: JIM OUELLETTE                          Number: 1449
  To: CHUCK GUSTAFSON                          Date: 06/04/94 10:47p
Subj: RE: PC USENET FILES                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > I think you need a different tosser.  FastEcho tosses the backbone
 > in about 10
 > minutes and then it takes another 15 minutes or so to pack the
 > pacckets for the other nodes.  (386DX40)

Don't really have that 'option' with TBBS and Flame.....besides,I love it,even
if it ain't quite as fast as some others...

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From: JIM OUELLETTE                          Number: 1450
  To: MURRAY PLETSCH                           Date: 06/04/94 10:51p
Subj: PC USENET FILES                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > Hmmmm....rather significant time/usage.  I am in the considering
 > stage right now, to add the Usenet stuff..!  It is not quite as
 > simple and devoid of additional equipment, as one may think.
 >
 > Thanks kindly.......Murray

You're welcome Murray....I don't plan on needing any more machines after
this....since I am only running (8) lines with TBBS,I got one for the bbs,one
for the satellite,one for the mail & newsgroup processing and my file server
with 18 cds and 6 hard drives for downloads<g>...

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From: N.L. HARGROVE                          Number: 1451
  To: DON JOHNSON                              Date: 06/04/94 10:57a
Subj: Re: International Genealo               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Jun 02 14:07>, Don Johnson of 1:104/531 writes:

 DJ> N.L. Hargrove..... why does that name ring a bell?

 DJ> Ah yes, used to be in FishNet.  Any plans to get back in now that
 DJ> we're on the satellite?

Yes and NO!  Running three systems makes it difficult to belong to more than
one net.  Just not a practical thing to do for me but with it being ON PC and
once I decide if I am going with my own system or not that is a real
possibility.


Regards,
Jake.


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From: MARTIN BELCKE                          Number: 1452
  To: RAY SNOW                                 Date: 06/04/94 11:29p
Subj: Inbound files                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> In my ACONFIG.SKY, how can I change the following example line to
-> route the file to the great bit bucket in the sky (NUL) instead:
->
-> :rulebase, *,   16   *,      *,    *,    *,  disk, J:\UNINET/,    *

The line would look like this:

   :rulebase, *,   16   *,      *,    *,    *,  disk, C:\NUL/,       *

This will send anything for rulebase 16 to the eternal bit bucket.  I
wonder if that magical place will fill up someday and regurgitate all
that is on there (grin)....

--Martin--

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From: MARTIN BELCKE                          Number: 1453
  To: RAY SNOW                                 Date: 06/04/94 11:30p
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> If size of net is the factor, that ought to silence the RIME vs FIDO
-> debates, since Internet is bigger. Fallacy of arguments hit right on
-> the head. Good marksmanship.

Well, I used to hold a Distinguished Expert award in the NRA.........

--Martin--

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From: MARTIN BELCKE                          Number: 1454
  To: NATE CHASE                               Date: 06/04/94 11:32p
Subj: Missing children                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->         Thought I saw GIF's of missing children once on the FIDO area
-> but don't see them now... Does anyone know what the filenames are
-> and where in the PC download file structure they are normally located

File area tag is  MISCHILD  and is on the bird as well as filebone.
They would be located in the \bridge\files area if you are using the
default file paths in ACONFIG.SKY

--Martin--

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From: MARTIN BELCKE                          Number: 1455
  To: KEN FLORY                                Date: 06/04/94 11:36p
Subj: Re: Re-Zipping                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Not disputing, but could you quote the chapter and version of Pol4 th
-> that? I'm not sure the IC would have the time to look at and approve
-> numerous Net policy's out there. (NC and NEC here with 0 Net policies

Look at the preamble to Policy 4.  However, I stand correct on one
point.  The IC is involved if the policy adds additional restrictions
than Policy 4.

--Martin--

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From: MARTIN BELCKE                          Number: 1456
  To: JIM WARD                                 Date: 06/04/94 11:40p
Subj: AF2RA available                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->     Joe has graciously given me permission to make it available for f
-> request to all that need it, it is available on my system as magic na
-> all hours accept mail hours, if you like it please express your grati
-> Mr. Joe Jared at 103/506.1 I'm sure he would appreciate it immensly.

How's about sending it to Boyd so he can release it on the sat and then
everyone would get it.  I don't use ALLFIX and I run Wildcat instead,
but it would be a nice addition to the 65,000 files I have online.

--Martin--

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From: MARTIN BELCKE                          Number: 1457
  To: JOHN ROBERTS                             Date: 06/04/94 11:43p
Subj: OY ...                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->  > * Origin: D'Bridge Help/Information: Freq. DB-154.Zip (1:3601/14)
->
-> ... there it goes again ... someone's D'Bridge is D'Broken ... excuse
-> the message to "sysop", but it's in hopes that it will gain the
-> attention of the operator where these things are coming from ...

Take a look at the top line in this reply.  That's where they are coming
from.  1:3601/14, Arthur Greenberg.  I suspect that Arthur is using a
new beta version and has a config problem.  Will send him a netmail
about it as I connect to him daily.

--Martin--

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From: CHUCK WARREN                           Number: 1458
  To: ALL                                      Date: 06/04/94  8:45p
Subj: Moving mail files                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I'm finally starting to get low on disk space....to the point where I can't
TOSS the whole days load.  But, I can manage it if I take 5 or so at a time.
Only problem was that I wanted them in "sorted" order.  To solve this, I
whipped up a quick program MOVEMAIL.ZIP that will sort and copy 'x' number of
files from one location to another.  If you too could use this, FREQ it!  The
.ZIP is about 10k, and the phone call is all it'll cost ya!

Chuck


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From: DANNY DANIEL                           Number: 1459
  To: JACK WILLIAMS                            Date: 06/02/94  9:52a
Subj: software                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Jack Williams wrote in a message to Brian Hess:


BH> What the file name and where can we Freq it???

 JW> Hi, Brian. I was just explaining to Lori Smith that my
 JW> extraction software was not written as shareware...and that
 JW> if there was sufficient demand for it that I would convert
 JW> it to shareware.... It would take a bit of time to
 JW> convert--because I would have to incorporate a .cfg file for
 JW> its use. I have retained your name as having an interest in
 JW> the software and await more positive replies before
 JW> undertaking to convert it.

Jack please add me to your list as very interested.
                     Thanks DD

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From: RANDY EDWARDS                          Number: 1460
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 06/05/94 12:23p
Subj: Showing your ignorance                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On Jun 01 22:14 94, Terry Blount of 1:3625/441 wrote:

SM>> Anyone with a reasonable grasp of assembler, the essentials
SM>> of TSRs, and access to a DOS function reference would be
SM>> able to write such a thing.

 TB> That has been exactly my point.  So the conclusion is that in practical
 TB> reality it can't be done.

   Sure it could -- as Scott just pointed out.  And as far as the problem
copying the file that Scott brought out in his message, this could be gotten
around by the same way PC does it -- by renaming the file to another directory.

   I don't consider myself a hot-shot programmer by ANY stretch of the
imagination.  But I'm reasonably certain I could write such a program and have
it running in a few hours.
.
Randy                                 BBS [phone] (V.FC)
FidoNet 1:325/806 1:325/805           InterNet [e-mail]

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From: RANDY EDWARDS                          Number: 1461
  To: BOB WATSON                               Date: 06/05/94 12:26p
Subj: My penis is sore from bei               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On May 31 15:00 94, Bob Watson of 1:105/285 wrote:

 BW> Oh, this has everything to do with satellites!

   Bob, generally the agreed-on best way to deal with such twits is to ignore
them and to netmail the Sysop of the originating system.  Replying to them just
fuels the fire of the twit's ego.
.
Randy                                 BBS [phone] (V.FC)
FidoNet 1:325/806 1:325/805           InterNet [e-mail]

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From: RANDY EDWARDS                          Number: 1462
  To: DAVE PETRUCCI                            Date: 06/05/94 12:31p
Subj: Garbage                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Just wanted to let the sysop of 1:3601/14 know that the
 > last three messages posted from your system were all
 > garbled...

   I've seen such messages in a few conferences from that system now.  The
Sysop there must have some seriously broken software.  :-(
.
Randy

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From: RANDY EDWARDS                          Number: 1463
  To: TIM HELTON                               Date: 06/05/94  1:08p
Subj: Clinton                                 Refer: NONE
Read: 06/09/94  7:25a                       Private: No

->> a conservative, one must either be mentally defective, a skinhead, or
->> extremely wealth with out a conscience. Tony, which are you?

 > Foul! You're off topic and your political views are wrong.  EOT.

   While I agree that the thread is off-topic, and have painfully managed to
stay out of it :-), I have to wonder about the way you tried to "end" the
thread.

   Saying that someone's political views are "wrong" is simply an invitation
for them to respond -- no matter if the response is off-topic or not.  I know
that if you had wrote the above to me, there's no way I could have resisted
responding.

   Moderators, particularly ones in a techie-based non-political/non-debate
echo like this should at least *try* to be semi-objective and show a surface
level of impartiality.  I suggest stopping by the Moderators 101 class.
.
Randy

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From: RANDY EDWARDS                          Number: 1464
  To: JON ANDERSON                             Date: 06/05/94  1:28p
Subj: Automation of mail.                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

RE>>I run a task in the background that checks every 6 minutes to
RE>>see if the other machine is trying to send something to it
RE>>(don't ask my why I picked six minutes, it just seemed that 5
RE>>was too short and 10 was too long:-).  This task takes up
RE>>almost no CPU when it's sleeping.

 > hi...could you elaborate extensively on just what task you're referring
 > to, which makes a check of the dos machine via the comport??

   Sure.  First a bit of my system setup.  My incoming netmail/files directory
is E:\Mail\Incoming.  Files being received over the null modem come into
E:\Mail\NModem.

____ Start of file 'GETEM.CMD', a simple OS/2 REXX program:

/*****************************************************************************
*                                                                            *
*   GETEM.CMD                                                                *
*                                                                            *
*   This program gets files from the null modem from the Planet Connect      *
*   machine.                                                                 *
*                                                                            *
*****************************************************************************/

call RxFuncAdd 'SysSleep', 'RexxUtil', 'SysSleep'
"MODE COM6:57600,N,8,1,,TO=ON,XON=OFF,DTR=ON,IDSR=OFF,ODSR=OFF,OCTS=ON,RTS=HS"

do forever
  Say
  Say 'Starting the Zmodem receive sequence at' Time('N') 'on' Date('N')'.'
  Say
"MODE COM6:57600,N,8,1,,TO=ON,XON=OFF,DTR=ON,IDSR=OFF,ODSR=OFF,OCTS=ON,RTS=HS"
"IF Exist D:\Bink\Do_FB.Bsy Del D:\Bink\Do_FB.Bsy"
  rc=2
/*  "P COM6 57600 -b32768 -d -DE:\Mail\NModem rz"  */
  "IDLE ZSX2 port 6 speed 57600 rz E:\Mail\NModem\"
/*  "IDLE CEXYZ2 /P6 /L38400 /B38400 /Rz E:\Mail\NModem"   */
  select
    when rc = 0 then
      call GotIt
    otherwise
      call HoldIt
  end  /* end select */
end  /* of 'forever' loop */
exit /* quit; should never hit here... */


/*---------------------------------------------------------------------------*
*                                                                            *
*    REXX Procedure: HoldIt                                                  *
*                                                                            *
*    Simply delays for 6 minutes before trying to receive files again.       *
*                                                                            *
*---------------------------------------------------------------------------*/
HoldIt:
"MODE COM6:300"
Say
Say
Say "We're sleeping for 6 minutes before trying to receive again."
Say "Smack Ctrl-C repeatedly to abort me if need be..."
call SysSleep 360
return(0)


/*---------------------------------------------------------------------------*
*                                                                            *
*    REXX Procedure: GotIt                                                   *
*                                                                            *
*    Processes the files after receiving them.                               *
*                                                                            *
*---------------------------------------------------------------------------*/
GotIt:

call BBSLog "GETE", "Received files, now processing..."
"E:"
"CD \Mail\NModem"
"ECHO. >>D:\Logs\GetEm.Log"
"ECHO !!! Processing files at %_TIME on %_DATE. >>D:\Logs\GetEm.Log"
"Dir *.* >>D:\Logs\GetEm.Log"
/* Check for the NodeDiff file... */
"IF Exist NODEDIFF.A* Copy NODEDIFF.A* D:\Bink\Misc\*.*"
/* Check for FidoNews... */
"IF Exist FNews*.LZH Copy FNews*.LZH D:\Bink\Misc\*.*"
/* Check for the TVList files... */
"IF Exist TVLIST*.ZIP Start /C /Wait C:\Bin\FileDT.Exe TVLIST*.ZIP"
"IF Exist TVLIST*.ZIP ECHO Run FB. >D:\Bink\Do_FB.Bsy"
"IF Exist TVLIST*.ZIP Mv TVLIST*.ZIP E:\Pub\All\TVList\"
"IF Exist *.TIC Del D:\Bink\Do_FB.Bsy"
if exist("D:\Bink\Do_FB.Bsy") then
  do
    "D:"
    "CD \Max"
    "FB Area.Dat 14 16 92 99"
    "E:"
    "CD \Mail\NModem"
  end
"IF Exist D:\Bink\Do_FB.Bsy Del D:\Bink\Do_FB.Bsy"
"E:"
"CD \Mail\NModem"
"MV *.* \Mail\Incoming\"
"ECHO MailProc | rxqueue MailProc"
"ECHO TickProc | rxqueue MailProc"
return(0)
/* End of File */

________ End of file: GETEM.CMD

   As you can see, this program uses quite a few outside/external resources.
The RexxUtil functions are native to OS/2, but things like the Time and Date
variables used to keep track of what files came into the system are in 4OS2.
Other functions such as "Exist" are simply external Rexx procesures that do
simple things.  As you can see above I also use an external RxQueue (MailProc)
to handle processing my incoming mail and TICs.  Some of the other routines are
probably unnecessary -- such as making the Do_FB.Bsy flag file to see tell
other processes that FB is running.

   Also note that I'm using ZSX2 as a receiving program on the OS/2 machine.  I
liked this program because it was basic, simple yet flexible, and also worked
well.  You can see in the comments some of the other programs I tried but
didn't like.

   Once the above *.CMD file gets started (I start it in my \StartUp.Cmd file),
it doesn't stop unless you smack a Ctrl-C in it's window.

   What my Planet Connect receiving machine does is to simply go into a tight
loop after it exits from the PC software.  The loop looks something like this:

:SEND
CD \SAT\SEND
CEXYZ (blah, blah, it runs CEXYZ to send the files across the null modem)
IF ERRORLEVEL 1 GOTO SEND
ECHO Y | DEL *.*
GOTO START

   As you can see, you need a file transfer program that returns an errorlevel
if it doesn't make a good send. :-)  What this results in is the Planet Connect
machine constantly trying to send and resend until the OS/2 machine "wakes up"
and runs the receiving program.

   If you need anything else or want me to toss together some files with what
I'm running just hollar.
.
Randy

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From: RANDY EDWARDS                          Number: 1465
  To: JON ANDERSON                             Date: 06/05/94  1:28p
Subj: Automation of mail.                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

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From: RANDY EDWARDS                          Number: 1466
  To: JON ANDERSON                             Date: 06/05/94  1:37p
Subj: Automation of mail.                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

RE>>I run a task in the background that checks every 6 minutes to
RE>>see if the other machine is trying to send something to it
RE>>(don't ask my why I picked six minutes, it just seemed that 5
RE>>was too short and 10 was too long:-).  This task takes up
RE>>almost no CPU when it's sleeping.

 > hi...could you elaborate extensively on just what task you're referring
 > to, which makes a check of the dos machine via the comport??

   Sure.  First a bit of my system setup.  My incoming netmail/files directory
is E:\Mail\Incoming.  Files being received over the null modem come into
E:\Mail\NModem.

____ Start of file 'GETEM.CMD', a simple OS/2 REXX program:

/*****************************************************************************
*                                                                            *
*   GETEM.CMD                                                                *
*                                                                            *
*   This program gets files from the null modem from the Planet Connect      *
*   machine.                                                                 *
*                                                                            *
*****************************************************************************/

call RxFuncAdd 'SysSleep', 'RexxUtil', 'SysSleep'
"MODE COM6:57600,N,8,1,,TO=ON,XON=OFF,DTR=ON,IDSR=OFF,ODSR=OFF,OCTS=ON,RTS=HS"

do forever
  Say
  Say 'Starting the Zmodem receive sequence at' Time('N') 'on' Date('N')'.'
  Say
"MODE COM6:57600,N,8,1,,TO=ON,XON=OFF,DTR=ON,IDSR=OFF,ODSR=OFF,OCTS=ON,RTS=HS"
"IF Exist D:\Bink\Do_FB.Bsy Del D:\Bink\Do_FB.Bsy"
  rc=2
/*  "P COM6 57600 -b32768 -d -DE:\Mail\NModem rz"  */
  "IDLE ZSX2 port 6 speed 57600 rz E:\Mail\NModem\"
/*  "IDLE CEXYZ2 /P6 /L57600 /B57600 /Rz E:\Mail\NModem"   */
  select
    when rc = 0 then
      call GotIt
    otherwise
      call HoldIt
  end  /* end select */
end  /* of 'forever' loop */
exit /* quit; should never hit here... */


/*---------------------------------------------------------------------------*
*                                                                            *
*    REXX Procedure: HoldIt                                                  *
*                                                                            *
*    Simply delays for 6 minutes before trying to receive files again.       *
*                                                                            *
*---------------------------------------------------------------------------*/
HoldIt:
"MODE COM6:300"
Say
Say
Say "We're sleeping for 6 minutes before trying to receive again."
Say "Smack Ctrl-C repeatedly to abort me if need be..."
call SysSleep 360
return(0)


/*---------------------------------------------------------------------------*
*                                                                            *
*    REXX Procedure: GotIt                                                   *
*                                                                            *
*    Processes the files after receiving them.                               *
*                                                                            *
*---------------------------------------------------------------------------*/
GotIt:

call BBSLog "GETE", "Received files, now processing..."
"E:"
"CD \Mail\NModem"
"ECHO. >>D:\Logs\GetEm.Log"
"ECHO !!! Processing files at %_TIME on %_DATE. >>D:\Logs\GetEm.Log"
"Dir *.* >>D:\Logs\GetEm.Log"
/* Check for the NodeDiff file... */
"IF Exist NODEDIFF.A* Copy NODEDIFF.A* D:\Bink\Misc\*.*"
/* Check for FidoNews... */
"IF Exist FNews*.LZH Copy FNews*.LZH D:\Bink\Misc\*.*"
/* Check for the TVList files... */
"IF Exist TVLIST*.ZIP Start /C /Wait C:\Bin\FileDT.Exe TVLIST*.ZIP"
"IF Exist TVLIST*.ZIP ECHO Run FB. >D:\Bink\Do_FB.Bsy"
"IF Exist TVLIST*.ZIP Mv TVLIST*.ZIP E:\Pub\All\TVList\"
"IF Exist *.TIC Del D:\Bink\Do_FB.Bsy"
if exist("D:\Bink\Do_FB.Bsy") then
  do
    "D:"
    "CD \Max"
    "FB Area.Dat 14 16 92 99"
    "E:"
    "CD \Mail\NModem"
  end
"IF Exist D:\Bink\Do_FB.Bsy Del D:\Bink\Do_FB.Bsy"
"E:"
"CD \Mail\NModem"
"MV *.* \Mail\Incoming\"
"ECHO MailProc | rxqueue MailProc"
"ECHO TickProc | rxqueue MailProc"
return(0)
/* End of File */

________ End of file: GETEM.CMD

   As you can see, this program uses quite a few outside/external resources.
The RexxUtil functions are native to OS/2, but things like the Time and Date
variables used to keep track of what files came into the system are in 4OS2.
Other functions such as "Exist" are simply external Rexx procesures that do
simple things.  As you can see above I also use an external RxQueue (MailProc)
to handle processing my incoming mail and TICs.  Some of the other routines are
probably unnecessary -- such as making the Do_FB.Bsy flag file to see tell
other processes that FB is running.

   Also note that I'm using ZSX2 as a receiving program on the OS/2 machine.  I
liked this program because it was basic, simple yet flexible, and also worked
well.  You can see in the comments some of the other programs I tried but
didn't like.

   Once the above *.CMD file gets started (I start it in my \StartUp.Cmd file),
it doesn't stop unless you smack a Ctrl-C in it's window.

   What my Planet Connect receiving machine does is to simply go into a tight
loop after it exits from the PC software.  The loop looks something like this:

:SEND
CD \SAT\SEND
CEXYZ (blah, blah, it runs CEXYZ to send the files across the null modem)
IF ERRORLEVEL 1 GOTO SEND
ECHO Y | DEL *.*
GOTO START

   As you can see, you need a file transfer program that returns an errorlevel
if it doesn't make a good send. :-)  What this results in is the Planet Connect
machine constantly trying to send and resend until the OS/2 machine "wakes up"
and runs the receiving program.

   If you need anything else or want me to toss together some files with what
I'm running just hollar.
.
Randy

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From: RANDY EDWARDS                          Number: 1467
  To: JON ANDERSON                             Date: 06/05/94  1:37p
Subj: Automation of mail.                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

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From: BILL ARLOFSKI                          Number: 1468
  To: GEORGE VANDERVORT                        Date: 06/05/94  1:48p
Subj: Re: censored                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >
 > ***> NOTICE:  a Beta Test Feature of This BBS includes a NEW USER Keyboard
 >     =======  Macro as Part of the Security System of this Board...
 >              The Time Delay and Key Typing style in the way you
 > entered Your NAME, PHONE Numbers, PASSWORD, Etc.. Are
 > Recorded by the System and Compared with Each New User.. To
 > Prevent Multiple Entries by the Same User Unless Prior
 > arrangements  Have Been Made with the Sysop... *** LEAVE a Message
 > to Apply   for Multiple User Access.
 > Press [Enter]
 >

I Like this idea... I seem to get far too many IDIOTS in my area...

Bill Arlofski
Reverse Polarity BBS

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From: BILL ARLOFSKI                          Number: 1469
  To: JIM TAYLOR                               Date: 06/05/94  1:49p
Subj: Fido/Inter/Rime NETS                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Rights.
 > Join EFF, or NOMA, or one of the other Electronic Communications
 > Rights
 > orgainizations.  Your time and energy would be better spent.

can you forward an info packet for each to me, or netmail me with names to
freq?

Thanks...

Bill Arlofski
Reverse Polarity BBS

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From: BILL ARLOFSKI                          Number: 1470
  To: JOHN HRUSOVSZKY                          Date: 06/05/94  1:52p
Subj: Re: Signal Degradation                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >  >> CG>  Use either 1 1/2" PVC tubing or PVC plastic pipe.  If using
 > >> CG>  PVC plastic pipe, make sure you use the 90 degree sweep elbows
 > >> CG>  that the electricians use rather than the sharp elbows that
 > >> CG>  plumbers use to bring the pipe back to the surface.
 >  >>
 >  >> Good advice (although I don't agree with having to dig below
 >  >> frost, or even 4' deep ... 1 foot deep is more than enough if he
 > >> is to place it inside PVC pipe).
 >
 >  BA> Maybe, but the National Electrical code says minimum 18" deep
 > BA> when in conduit, and 24" when direct burial cable is used.
 >
 > Oh ... even for low-voltage wires such as this?

Hmmm I am on vaction this week... I think if I get bored enough, I might thumb
through my code book to see if they differentiate between low and high voltages
when it comes to the above numbers I stated (I am pretty sure they do not)...
:)

Bill Arlofski
Reverse Polarity BBS

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From: BILL ARLOFSKI                          Number: 1471
  To: RAY SNOW                                 Date: 06/05/94  1:55p
Subj: Inbound files                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Question:
 >
 > In my ACONFIG.SKY, how can I change the following example line to
 > route the file to the great bit bucket in the sky (NUL) instead:
 >
 > :rulebase, *,   16   *,      *,    *,    *,  disk, J:\UNINET/,


Change the J:\UNINET/,

to NUL/,


and they will burden you no longer... :)

Bill Arlofski
Reverse Polarity BBS

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From: BILL ARLOFSKI                          Number: 1472
  To: CHUCK GUSTAFSON                          Date: 06/05/94  2:00p
Subj: Re: PC USENET FILES                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > I think you need a different tosser.  FastEcho tosses the backbone
 > in about 10
 > minutes and then it takes another 15 minutes or so to pack the
 > pacckets for the other nodes.  (386DX40)

Agreed... I run two nodes under DV (486DX/50), and the satellite receiver is on
a 386DX/33. The 486 checks for inbound mail on the other machine via ethernet
LAN... If mail is found, Gecho is spawned in another window and tosses in about
the same amount of time you specified...

from what I have heard, there are just as menay people on each side of the
gecho/fastecho fence, so I can only assume that they are pretty close in
speed...

Bill Arlofski
Reverse Polarity BBS

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From: JIM MITCHELL                           Number: 1473
  To: CHRIS VON MOTZ                           Date: 06/06/94  8:55p
Subj: Usenet                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 CVM> or so.<Gr>

 CVM> Fills my 110 MEG Sat disk up in about 3 days max. Enough for starters??

 There is talk of an extra charge.  How much and when is it to start..

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From: CHRIS ROSS                             Number: 1474
  To: CHRIS VON MOTZ                           Date: 06/03/94  9:06p
Subj: Re: Usenet                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >the newsgroups have been coming down by the BIG HD load for the last 6
 >months
 >or so.<Gr>
 >
 >Fills my 110 MEG Sat disk up in about 3 days max. Enough for starters??

       No, the important bases that my users as well as my downlinks want are
not there.  Ie: Alt.Sex.*

       Plus, it would be nice to drop off our internet to PC with the fido ;)

 Chris

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From: BOB KIERNAN                            Number: 1475
  To: ALL                                      Date: 06/05/94  4:55p
Subj: .qwk To .pkt ???                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

At the risk of sounding dumb, does anyone out there have a conversion
utility to take a .QWK and convert it to a .PKT and visa-versa??? I
would like to do this without having to use an intermediate write to
disk so that it would be software independent.  Meaning that a .QWK
could be turned into a .PKT so a FIDO type tosser could distribute it
and when the return mail was tossed to a .PKT it would be converted to
a .QWK by this utility before being sent to the proper hub.  Or is
there an easier way???

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From: MARTIN BELCKE                          Number: 1476
  To: JONATHAN HART                            Date: 06/05/94  5:43p
Subj: Oy ...                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> -> >~*YvI,qvkMK--- DB 1.58/000001 > * Origin: D'Bridge Help/Informati
->                            ^^^^^^
-> -> ...but it's in hopes that it will gain the attention of the
-> -> operator where these things are coming from ...
->
->    I can tell you from the key number above, that this message came f
-> the author of D'Bridge, Chris Irwin.

Jonathan,

You are incorrect.  Chris uses a different key number.  The one above
came from Arthur's system.  He uses key number 000001.

--Martin--

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From: JIM TAYLOR                             Number: 1477
  To: DON JOHNSON                              Date: 06/04/94 10:26p
Subj: Fishnet                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Well, I guess I need to eat Crow... Ah, Fish... :-)  Thank you for
sending me your infopacket.  And no, I didn't see anywhere that a sysop
has to pay to join fishnet.  I do know that there was a network that did
make your pay, and I thought it was the fishnet, but I must have been
wrong.  Again, thanks for the info.

Sorry for shooting my fingers off.

Jim


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From: VIC PARRISH                            Number: 1478
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 06/05/94  8:33p
Subj: Business Hours                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Boyd!

What are the hour for 'renewing subscriptions'?


Enjoy!
Vic
Voice [phone]

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From: FRANK SCHEEL                           Number: 1479
  To: JON ANDERSON                             Date: 06/04/94 11:45a
Subj: Automation of mail.                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Jon Anderson wrote in a message to Randy Edwards:

JA> any help appreciated... am very frustrated with PC an no
JA> response from them on the progress of the beta solution to
JA> this damn dongle problem in OS/2 ..

Hang in there! It won't be much longer. am running the beta version under OS/2
2.11 and it seems to be doing pretty good. I suspect it won't be much longer.
Later,
         <_Frank_>

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From: MARK ADKINS                            Number: 1480
  To: CHRIS VON MOTZ                           Date: 06/05/94  7:41p
Subj: Addressing procedures.                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Could you please give me some clear and concise instructions as to
-> how to make this work properly.

Did the instructions that I gave you over the phone work?

Here's your tag line...

-> --- InterEcho 1.00/b12
-> * Origin: The Flying Dutchman BBS San Jose,Ca.408-294-0526.
-> (1:143/238)

This didn't come thru RIME and the gate, you sent this one via 3615/50.

What problem are you having?

Mark

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From: MARK ADKINS                            Number: 1481
  To: ROBERT HILGAR                            Date: 06/05/94  7:50p
Subj: Your whining                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->       Also, the garbage below your name is another thing I personally
-> don't like about RIME. It would be nice if when you are in a
-> Fido conf., you would refrain from adding such irrelevant trash to
-> the end of your messages.

Robert RIME's Postlink software uses 2 lines as a tag line and we can't
remove it. If there are three lines in a RIME tagline then the first
line was put there by an offline reader and the last 2 are put there by
the software that RIME and a few other networks use. It's also a
requirement that these two lines be in the message as per the RIME
network rules.

Sorry it bothers you but there isn't much a RIME node can do about it
and still follow the rules of the network.

Mark

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From: RAY SNOW                               Number: 1482
  To: MARK ADKINS                              Date: 06/04/94  7:54p
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Jerry Shenk was rambling to another echo participant (RIME'r) with:
JS>Just stop bashing.  Just take it for awhile and it'll stop.


Why not ask the bashers on *BOTH* sides stop?

Telling only one side to quit bashing in a 2-sided bashing
affair does not resolve things. It only pours lighter fluid on
smoldering embers. And the flames keep popping up every few days
on first one side, then on the other.

*****************************************************************
There is NO reason that 1 side should stop, and then have to
"take it for awhile" even after they have stopped. Either BOTH
sides agree to let it drop at this point........
*****************************************************************
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 * Rocky Mountain Software  Salt Lake City, Ut  801-963-8721
 * PostLink(tm) v1.20 ROCKYMTN (#1384) : RelayNet(tm)

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From: RAY SNOW                               Number: 1483
  To: MARK ADKINS                              Date: 06/04/94  7:54p
Subj: A nice request                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

As a RIME'r I am *not* familiar with the FIDO part of the world,
but I have a request that I would like to make:

On RIME, we have a net policy of not permitting swearing, profanity
or vulgarity in our conferences. Or language which might be on the
border lines. Not that RIME are a bunch of ....., but that we believe
in trying to foster good professional atmospheres as much as possible.

Here in this conference I have seen lately, a *number* of examples of:

1. Vulgarity
2. Swearing, profanity, etc
3. Bashing/Name Calling/Character Slams (ie "idiot", "hitler", etc etc)
   - by both sides.


Questions:
----------
1. Are these types of language considered appropriate on FIDO, under
   your net's policies and rules?

2. Do CH's in your net have the ability to establish such "better"
   and professional conf echo stds that folks might be REQUIRED to
   live by in *THIS* echo? Even if it might be better than typical
   stds for either FIDO or RIME?

If so, please consider this a polite request for your consideration.
It might be helpful where the PC echo is being bridged into both
RIME and FIDO and staunch supporters of each net abound in plenty.

I, for one, would be willing to agree to any decent conditions that
you might be willing to *REQUIRE MANDATORY* to all participants here.

Thank you.
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 * Rocky Mountain Software  Salt Lake City, Ut  801-963-8721
 * PostLink(tm) v1.20 ROCKYMTN (#1384) : RelayNet(tm)

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From: BOB WATSON                             Number: 1484
  To: CHRIS VON MOTZ                           Date: 06/04/94  6:41p
Subj: Not the phone company                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

CV>Thanks also for putting "Holmes"'s sidekick into place.

If you continue with the smart ass remarks, I won't remain quiet! I
promiss you that! No one, including Mark needs to put me in any place.
I'm very able to make my own decisions, thank you.

CV>He aint a FIDO person , and does not pull Rime of the bird either , so what
is
CV>his purpose here??

Shows you how much you know. This conference is NOT only for fido
people, so as you have said in the past, HIT THE BRICKS Von who ever you
are.
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 * The TAO BBS * Mercerville,NJ * [phone] * USR Dual Standard
 * PostLink(tm) v1.11  TAO (#1377) : RelayNet(tm)

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From: BOB WATSON                             Number: 1485
  To: JOHN DODSON                              Date: 06/04/94  6:41p
Subj: Not the phone company                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JD>As both a Rime and a Fido node I thank you very very much for this
JD>post and I wish you luck as a conference host on getting this message to
JD>sink in!

What are we trying to sink in John? I'm acting too much like you and you
can't handle it! :)


                                        Bob
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 * The TAO BBS * Mercerville,NJ * [phone] * USR Dual Standard
 * PostLink(tm) v1.11  TAO (#1377) : RelayNet(tm)

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From: STEPHEN RUSBOLDT                       Number: 1486
  To: ALL                                      Date: 06/05/94  8:03p
Subj: DUPE LOOP                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I found a couple of hunderd messages today, in several echos, with the
following as part of the path:

PATH: 3615/50 105/50 42 724/13 722/207 201 724/13 105/42 50 3615/50
                               ^^^^^^^^^^^
There is an obvious circular loop here.

I don't see Net 724 or 722 in Nodelist.154.

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From: DON BOSMAN                             Number: 1487
  To: ALL                                      Date: 06/05/94 10:52p
Subj: New at this, getting out?               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 * Forwarded from "PLANET_CONNECT"
 * Originally by Don Bosman
 * Originally to Anyone
 * Originally dated 31 May 1994, 0:48

Hello,
Time for the obligatory request for comfirmation of my existance as a Planet
Connect refeed site.
I posted this May 31, and it should be going to PC today.
Thanks in advance to anyone who takes time to reply, I won't burden the echo
with further thank you messages.

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From: DON MORRIS                             Number: 1488
  To: JIM WARD                                 Date: 06/05/94  6:36p
Subj: AF2RA available                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Quoting Jim Ward to All <=-

 JW> FOr those of you out there using ALLFIX and Remote Access I have a
 JW> great little utility written by one of our Net 103 people Joe Jared,
 JW> Joe was gracious enough to listen to my problem with importing the
 JW> filebone areas into my RA config file unlike the ALLFIX author who
 JW> refused to even give it any consideration for inclusion in his program
 JW> Joe went right to work and whipped up this little ditee in just one
 JW> day, what it does is a life saver it takes the areas.fix file from
 JW> ALLFIX and writes a complete FILES.RA for Remote Access 2.01, all
 JW> thats left after that is to run Genfbase and presto no more typing in
 JW> 400 areas manually.

Will it add the new areas to an existing RA filebase?  Or will it only
create the entire FILES.RA file???

 - Don Morris

... "42? 7 and a half million years and all you can come up with is 42?!"
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From: JEFF WARD                              Number: 1489
  To: JERRY SHENK                              Date: 06/05/94 10:52a
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > I just posted a message about how to pull in USENET stuff.  My
 > software
 > is set up to handle .X & .D files.  Do you know of a way to
 > convert the
 > uncompressed .BAG files that come off the bird to a ".x/.d
 > pair"?  I
 > have been able kludge an import through and I suppose I could
 > automate
 > that kludge with a batch file but it's not the right way to do
 > it and I
 > wonder if their might be ramifications later for my cheating.

 I don't right off hand for I haven't started working with the Usenet files
yet. I will shortly though. Maybe someone who has been working with them will
read this and help out. Anyone?

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From: SHEILA LENNON                          Number: 1490
  To: TOM WYRICK                               Date: 06/06/94  1:25a
Subj: Nets on Planet Connect                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Tom Wyrick (1:100/440) on Tue, May 31, wrote:

 TW>Well,as a sysop who is currently considering purchasing a satellite dish
 TW>and joining Planet Connect,I can tell you that the Fidonet echos and
 TW>the SDN Net file echo via Fido is the #1 reason I'm considering the
 TW>purchase.

      It'll change your life.

      The most pleasant hard part is how to handle the abundance.

      A group of sysops here cooperate to pool our hard drive space, each sysop
choosing which file echoes he or she wants to hub. Messages in a file
announcement echo describe the day's booty, each file echo's arrival
automatically announced by the sysop who specializes in those files.
      All files are available from the dish system -- us -- for just 6 days;
unclaimed areas are announced by the Executioner as Condemned.
      As for mail, we copy the entire backbone to 323/1012, the main hub
feeding the other 30 free systems, then toss ours.

      We don't, by the way, charge sysops for the feed, and they in turn agree
not to charge users for Fido mail and files, and to give even nonsubscribers at
least 30 minutes a day access.

      By working together, we find we really do function as more than the sum
of our parts.

 TW>I might pay extra for the Usenet conferences - but only if
 TW>I also get another link to the Internet so my users can send back
 TW>reply messages.

    Many of us are waiting for a reply link, as well as better conversion
software.

 TW>Just wanted to add my 2 cents worth here as one who doesn't even have
 TW>this service yet but was seriously looking at getting it.....

      It's an excellent value, but one that demands sweat equity.

      It'll stretch you -- you'll become intimate with coax and serial ports,
and may find the learning curve leads to your roof during snowstorms...

......sheila

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From: TONY CREMONESE                         Number: 1491
  To: RAY SNOW                                 Date: 06/05/94  9:06a
Subj: INBOUND FILES                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->1384


 "In my ACONFIG.SKY, how can I change the following example line to
 "route the file to the great bit bucket in the sky (NUL) instead:

 ":rulebase, *,   16   *,      *,    *,    *,  disk, J:\UNINET/,    *

This works for me:

 ":rulebase, *,   16   *,      *,    *,    *,  disk, J:\UNINET\NUL/,    *

I prefer to retain the path so that I can identify what I am sending to the
bit bucket. It is also easy to restore it later. For example, if Bonnie Boo
Boo ever apologizes to the "boys", I might wish to salvage the RIME files
from the bit bucket.  :-)

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From: JASON FESLER                           Number: 1492
  To: CHARLEY WEBB                             Date: 06/05/94  2:03p
Subj: Usenet?                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Charley Webb writes:

 CW> There is NO WAY that I can stop WaterGate from thinking that
 CW> every BAG in from Planet Connect is also for Holonet,

If you can't get things to work correctly, take a look at GIGO (alas, only for
DOS/386).  You can netmail me for help if you have problems with it.


Q: What do I need to run GIGO?
   o At least a 386sx.
   o A couple megs of ram (at least 1024k (1 meg) free of EMS/DPMI/whatever)
   o Lots of DISK SPACE !
   o GIGO archives
   o UUCICO mail transfer agent (Suggested: FX-UUCICO)
     (or a source of .BAG files, if one-way only)



Q: How do I get the latest version of GIGO?

  Via File Request:
      1:203/7707  - Zoom 28800 VFC / 14400  - Freq "GIGO"
      1:203/8055  - HST DS 16800/14400      - Freq "GIGO"

  Internet FTP:
      ftp.netcom.com:/pub/jfesler/gigo/...
      also ftp.fidonet.org; ftp.halcyon.com

  Via Email:
      Email [e-mail], Subject: #GIGO                      (pref)
      Email [e-mail], Message body: "GET GIGO"  (alt)

Q: How do I get the latest version of FX-UUCICO (delivery agent for GIGO,etc)?

  Via File Request:
      1:203/7707  - Zoom 28800 VFC / 14400  - Freq "FX*.*"
      1:203/8055  - HST DS 16800/14400      - Freq "FX*.*"

  Internet FTP:
      ftp.netcom.com:/pub/jfesler/fxuucico/...

  Via Email:
      Email [e-mail], Message body: "GET FX*.*"




Jason Fesler
[e-mail]
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From: BILL STARR                             Number: 1493
  To: EDDIE MONEY                              Date: 06/06/94  3:34a
Subj: Missing children                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Hello Nate!
->
-> Thursday June 02 1994 05:42, Nate Chase wrote to All:
->
->  NC> To All,
->  NC>         Thought I saw GIF's of missing children once on the FIDO
->  NC> but don't see them now... Does anyone know what the filenames ar
->  NC> and where in the PC download file structure they are normally lo
->  NC>         Thanks...
->  NC>                                                 Nate
->
-> I think the tag name is MISCHILD for that file area. I have gotten a
-> but not any in maybe the last month.
->
-> Eddie
->

Same here. I am really interested in these GIF files as I take them and
put them in a file download area on the BBS along with a GIF viewer so
that my users can download and view them. MAYBE someone will see some of
these people and help out by returning them when they find one.

Bill Starr

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From: DARR HOAG                              Number: 1494
  To: BOB WATSON                               Date: 06/04/94  3:10a
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

*** Quoting Bob Watson to Jerry Shenk dated 05-31-94 ***
> always the first to start bashing. I have as much right to be here as
> they do and if they don't like it....you get the idea.

Hmmm....  I wasn't aware that anyone had a _right_ to be here. (?)

... I'll bet you think this tagline's about you.
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From: TIM FIERRO                             Number: 1495
  To: ELVIS HARGROVE                           Date: 06/05/94  9:45p
Subj: Re: International Genealo               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

EH>  TF> Hey Elvis, you don't need the ORIGIN information inside PCBoard.
EH>
EH>      Jeeze Tim, I didn't know it was IN there.  I certainly don't
EH>      remember turning that function ON in my PCBsetup. (I know better)

No prob.  If I see it elsewhere in the confs we frequent, I will
let you know.  I feel sorry if you set it in all of them. :)


The Racer's Edge Network Delivery System * TRENDS! [phone]/939-7876

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From: TIM FIERRO                             Number: 1496
  To: ELVIS HARGROVE                           Date: 06/05/94  9:47p
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

EH> Thanx again.  (It's not on THIS message isit?)  <Grin>

All fine!


The Racer's Edge Network Delivery System * TRENDS! [phone]/939-7876

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From: TIM FIERRO                             Number: 1497
  To: MARK ADKINS                              Date: 06/05/94  9:54p
Subj: Re: international genealo               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

MA> Don how did you came by the name of FishNet?

MA>  * Origin: Blue Lake Systems (1:105/285)

Maybe he hangs out in your Lake? <wry grin>


The Racer's Edge Network Delivery System * TRENDS! [phone]/939-7876

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From: TIM FIERRO                             Number: 1498
  To: DAVE DENNETT                             Date: 06/05/94 10:06p
Subj: Usenet                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

DD> If i was to subscribe to the Planet Connect Usenet files, do they come in
DD> the same format (filenames dont appear  to be similar at all)? Will UUPCB
DD> import them?  Do I need some other program?

I believe Ed built support for the .BAG file format already.  I
just checked his shareware version I have on my system and there
was no mention of it in the *.DOC files.  But when I was reading
the alt.bbs.uupcb newsgroup, I believe there was mention that
UUPCB has this capability.


The Racer's Edge Network Delivery System * TRENDS! [phone]/939-7876

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From: JOHN ROBERTS                           Number: 1499
  To: JONATHAN HART                            Date: 06/05/94  8:00p
Subj: OY ...                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 >>~*YvI,qvkMK--- DB 1.58/000001
 >> * Origin: D'Bridge Help/Information:

JH> I can tell you from the key number above, that this message came from
JH> the author of D'Bridge, Chris Irwin.

So would you (or somebody) mind mentioning this to him?  I've tried, but
can't establish a successful mail session with the system address in the
origin lines of these ... been seeing them in at least three different
conferences that I read regularly.

 -- SPEED 1.40 #1663: I logon, therefore I am.

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From: ALEX STUART                            Number: 1500
  To: JERRY SHENK                              Date: 06/05/94 10:04a
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JS> I just posted a message about how to pull in USENET stuff.
JS> My software is set up to handle .X & .D files.  Do you know
JS> of a way to convert the uncompressed .BAG files that come
JS> off the bird to a ".x/.d pair"?

        The *.BAG format is just the rmail *.D format renamed.

     -- Alex

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From: ALEX STUART                            Number: 1501
  To: MARTIN BELCKE                            Date: 06/06/94  9:24a
Subj: Re: Re-Zipping                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

MB> Look at the preamble to Policy 4.  However, I stand correct
MB> on one point.  The IC is involved if the policy adds additional
MB> restrictions than Policy 4.

        Still not right. It isn't additional restrictions which requrie
approval of the IC, it is provisions which 'contradict' Policy4. A local
policy could attempt to be less restrictive than Policy 4, and that would
require approval of the IC.  In fact under Policy 4 it is actually the
removal of restrictions imposed by Policy 4 that by and large require the
approval of the I.C., as even with the approval of the IC the only 'additional
restriction' which can be put in place is observance of a local mail hour.

     -- Alex

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From: DANNY DANIEL                           Number: 1502
  To: EDDIE MONEY                              Date: 06/06/94 12:59p
Subj: Missing children                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Eddie Money wrote in a message to Nate Chase:

 EM> I think the tag name is MISCHILD for that file area. I have
 EM> gotten a few in but not any in maybe the last month.

I have not gotten any in a while either.  I finally got the bird online here.
This is my first message out...

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From: DENNIS MAIDON                          Number: 1503
  To: BOB MCCOY                                Date: 06/03/94 11:48a
Subj: Re: Liberal rhetoric again              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 BM> of that paragraph), I'm not so sure that you could spell potato
 BM> correctly, either!


Don't know about him but, around here it's spelled 'TATER'. <G>


catch ya later

Dennis N. Maidon

... Silver Xpress! Mail Door..Now doing it the Wildcat! way!!!


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From: DENNIS MAIDON                          Number: 1504
  To: RAY SNOW                                 Date: 06/06/94  4:34a
Subj: Re: Re-zipping                          Refer: NONE
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 RS> By your *own* arguments then, you're saying that we ought to censor
 RS> *both* of you.

Sounds great to me.



.

... Silver Xpress! Mail Door..Now doing it the Wildcat! way!!!


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From: THOMAS KINNEN                          Number: 1505
  To: CHRIS VON MOTZ                           Date: 06/06/94  8:12p
Subj: Addressing procedures.                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Chris!

In a message to Boyd Goodin <06/04/94> Chris Von Motz wrote:

CV> Well , I toss with Interecho , which processes the mail just fine , but i
CV> send mail out from here , I would have to change every area's set up with
CV> own address.

Might want to give Patrick a call at 1-305-436-1587 or leave him a
message in the intermail conference.  I had interecho set up for a few
days and switched back to GoMail due to some bugs.  You should be able
to set 1:3615/51 as an aka and match all mail to 1:3615 to your actual
address.

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From: MIKE BARRETT                           Number: 1506
  To: ALL                                      Date: 06/06/94  6:01p
Subj: PC Setup test                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello All!

Is anyone in satelite land getting a grip on this message?

TIA,

Mike Barrett
 FIDONET: 1:2230/20
  OCRNET: 1122:2500/0
INTERNET: [e-mail]

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From: PATTY MORRIS                           Number: 1507
  To: TIM FIERRO                               Date: 06/06/94  4:14a
Subj: Sometimes you still have                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Tim Fierro wrote in a message to Patty Morris:

TF> With all the hoopla over the security of the packets, I had
TF> to bring this up to attention to show it can still
TF> 'accidently' happen so why is security an issue? :)  Just
TF> because I got it does not mean I have any inclination to
TF> import it.

    I'm glad you did mention it, Tim, as I was wondering about them also.

    Even if we were of a mind to import them it would hardly be worthwhile
 if we don't have an uplink for them, effectively making them read-only echoes.

                      --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: PATTY MORRIS                           Number: 1508
  To: DAVE DENNETT                             Date: 06/06/94  4:18a
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Dave Dennett wrote in a message to Patty Morris:

DD> I really dont recall saying that.  I try not to insult or
DD> put down other groups.   I think I said I was surprised

    I believe I was paraphrasing, Dave, and there was no offense to either side
of the conversation.  It was just that with all the flaming going on in here
between the two nets your message seemed to stand out a bit in the crowd.

DD> members were making, but I think that was about all.   If I
DD> did say something derogatory about Fidonet, I apologize, as
DD> I know absolutly nothing about it, and would not be in any
DD> place to comment.

    You didn't, Dave, and rest assured I have approximately the same level of
knowledge regarding RIME that you do of Fidonet so we're both learning.

                      --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: PATTY MORRIS                           Number: 1509
  To: ELVIS HARGROVE                           Date: 06/06/94  4:23a
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Elvis Hargrove wrote in a message to Patty Morris:

EH> Sorry Patti, I got carried away....

EH> Getting called stupid repeatedly, DOES that to me.

    <G>  I know the feeling, Elvis.


EH> (But does it HAVE to add all that crap?)

    Actually, I believe their PostLink software adds 3 lines and of course the
gateway itself adds another one or two, so my guess would be yes.  ;D


                      --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: PATTY MORRIS                           Number: 1510
  To: JERRY SHENK                              Date: 06/06/94  4:25a
Subj: Re-zipping                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Jerry Shenk wrote in a message to Patty Morris:

JS> I'm using UUPCB and like it quite well.  I'm importing into

    I've heard a lot of good things about that package so yours is simply
another one for the list, Jerry.  At some point in the future (who knows, maybe
a year or so down the road) we're considering upgrading to a good commercial
package that offers us the same type or class of features and so far PCB or
TBBS seem to be coming out on top.

JS> that on my end. It really works quite well.  I use clarknet
JS> for my connection.  They are reasonable and fairly reliable.

    I haven't heard of them before.  Do they offer any type of interactive
services?

JS> I know what you mean about your eyes glazing over!  The
JS> worst thing is that to get the info on how to get on the
JS> Internet you need to be on the Internet!  It took me 6
JS> months of research (not full time obviously- I have a job)
JS> to figure out how to do get connected.  I'll bet I had at
JS> least 30 hours of research in on that one!

    hehehe, I hadn't thought of it that way, Jerry, but you're right.  I simply
don't understand or can't comprehend some of the different terms in use in many
of those types of manuals unless it has a similar FTN purpose or usage.  So far
I've figured out that mailing lists are similar to Fidonet echoes or RIME
conferences and that a list server is similar in function to Areafix, or Seal.
If I can think of it in terms of Fidonet Technology network software then I've
won half the battle.

    Thanks much for the info.


                      --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: SID BALCOM                             Number: 1511
  To: JONATHAN HART                            Date: 06/05/94 10:17p
Subj: Oy ...                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message of <Jun 04 22:00>, Jonathan Hart (1:218/101) writes:
 JH>>John,

-> >~*YvI,qvkMK--- DB 1.58/000001 > * Origin: D'Bridge Help/Information:
 JH>>                           ^^^^^^
-> ...but it's in hopes that it will gain the attention of the
-> operator where these things are coming from ...

 JH>>   I can tell you from the key number above, that this message came from
 JH>>the author of D'Bridge, Chris Irwin.

        Then, SOMETHING is very bogus! That address is listed to Arthur
Greenberg.

++ Sid ++




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From: SID BALCOM                             Number: 1512
  To: MARK ADKINS                              Date: 06/05/94 10:20p
Subj: Not the phone company                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message of <Jun 04 01:18>, Mark Adkins (1:105/285) writes:
 MA>>I'm as tired of reading all of the dribble as you are John. It wasn't
 MA>>bad enough the same thing has to take place in NetAdmin for months, now
 MA>>it's here in an echo that RIME is a guest in.

 MA>>It's going to stop I can assure you. This is NOT the place to sling mud
 MA>>at anyone.

Mark,
        It's become obvious to me that you are sane and coherent. I fully
believe that we can all get along. I was misled about RIME by a couple of
'flamers'. It's become more apparent to me lately that RIME is no different
than Fidonet. Basically, everybody is great, but there's always a few flamers.

        Keep up the good work!

++ Sid ++



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From: DENNIS RICKETTS                        Number: 1513
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 06/06/94  5:59p
Subj: New Echo on the Planet?                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

   Boyd...

   What do we have to do to get the Planet to carry our new echo? It is called
VIRUS_NFO and our planned feed into the Backbone will be 13/220 to 271/100 to
the planet. We're now in the FIDONET.NA..

   Will the planet automatically pick this echo up becasue of its FIDONET.NA
status, or will you have to manually add it?

   We're waiting to hear from you guys before we disconnect our links we set up
to get the echo going....

   Dennis

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From: EDDIE MONEY                            Number: 1514
  To: DON BOSMAN                               Date: 06/06/94  3:52p
Subj: New at this, getting out?               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Don!

Sunday June 05 1994 22:56, Don Bosman wrote to All:

 DB>  * Forwarded from "PLANET_CONNECT"
 DB>  * Originally by Don Bosman
 DB>  * Originally to Anyone
 DB>  * Originally dated 31 May 1994, 0:48

 DB> Hello,
 DB> Time for the obligatory request for comfirmation of my existance as a
 DB> Planet Connect refeed site. I posted this May 31, and it should be going
 DB> to PC today. Thanks in advance to anyone who takes time to reply, I won't
 DB> burden the echo with further thank you messages.


 DB> Sunday, June 5, 1994
 DB> Since I have seen no replies, I have to assume that either my message
 DB> didn't get out, or that no one likes me.  All of you haven't met me or
 DB> read me so I opt for message not getting out choice.  Am I right?


Got you here this time Don. recieved it 6-6-94
Eddie

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From: EDDIE MONEY                            Number: 1515
  To: BILL STARR                               Date: 06/06/94  3:53p
Subj: Missing children                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello BILL!

Monday June 06 1994 03:34, BILL STARR wrote to EDDIE MONEY:

 BS> Same here. I am really interested in these GIF files as I take them and
 BS> put them in a file download area on the BBS along with a GIF viewer so
 BS> that my users can download and view them. MAYBE someone will see some of
 BS> these people and help out by returning them when they find one.
 BS> Bill Starr

That is what I try to do also Bill, you never know who it might help.


Eddie

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From: JOHN BURTON                            Number: 1516
  To: JIM OUELLETTE                            Date: 06/05/94  4:12p
Subj: PC USENET FILES                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >> I think you need a different tosser.  FastEcho tosses the backbone
 >> in about 10
 >> minutes and then it takes another 15 minutes or so to pack the
 >> pacckets for the other nodes.  (386DX40)

 > Don't really have that 'option' with TBBS and Flame.....besides,I love
 > it,even if it ain't quite as fast as some others...

Who really cares how fast it TOSSes and PACKs, Jim??  It's all on another
machine that does nothing but TOSS and PACK anyway...

                                --==jb==--

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From: BILL WALTON                            Number: 1517
  To: CHARLEY WEBB                             Date: 06/04/94 10:00p
Subj: Usenet?                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Charlie;

Are you using Watergate to process your fido mail as well ? I tried it
and had all kinds of problems, most associated with WG not putting in
my address in the from field any help would be appreciated.

Bill



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From: MICKEY FERGUSON                        Number: 1518
  To: MARTIN BELCKE                            Date: 06/06/94  2:52a
Subj: Re: Re-zipping                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

* In a message originally to BOYD GOODIN, MARTIN BELCKE said:

MB>-> > Just a little ribbin', Boyd, nothing personal.
MB>->
MB>->    My ribs are sore enough!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MB>I hear that a little barbeque sauce will help make them feel
MB>real tender.

Don't forget the TABASCO!

ROTFL!!!!!

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From: JIM OUELLETTE                          Number: 1519
  To: MARTIN BELCKE                            Date: 06/06/94 10:03a
Subj: RE: RE-ZIPPING                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > Sounds like you are headed in the right direction.  There is, at
 > this
 > time, no IC.  As per Policy 4, however, the IC has to approve net

If you look at the nodelist,you will find,I believe,Tim Pozar,in San Fran,has
been elected the new IC.......

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From: JIM OUELLETTE                          Number: 1520
  To: JERRY SHENK                              Date: 06/06/94 10:08a
Subj: RE-ZIPPING                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > I just posted a message about how to pull in USENET stuff.  My
 > software
 > is set up to handle .X & .D files.  Do you know of a way to convert
 > the
 > uncompressed .BAG files that come off the bird to a ".x/.d pair"?  I
 > have been able kludge an import through and I suppose I could
 > automate

Jerry,I use a utility here called PUNT...Personal Usenet Tosser...It is created
by Jack Rickard at Boardwatch for TBBS systems,but I think it would work for
what you need it to do...not sure if it is available to anyone who has 'not'
purchased PIMP(Personal Internet Mail Processor)...you might call boardwatch at
303-973-6038 and ask though<g>....It takes the .bags and breaks them down into
the .x & .d files....Jim

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From: JIM OUELLETTE                          Number: 1521
  To: JOHN HRUSOVSZKY                          Date: 06/06/94 10:24a
Subj: RE: LINUX                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 >JH>> Help!  I have some of the linux files, but am also missing some,
 >JH>> and not sure which ones I am missing, or where to FREQ them.
 >JH>> What I currently have is:
 >
 >DS> <<<<stuff deleted
 >
 >JH>> Which ones am I missing, and where can I FREQ them at high speed?
 >
 >DS> If you dont find them somewhere easy, give me a call in a
 >DS> couple of weeks and I'll set you up to freq them off my voice
 >DS> line.   Until I get my own dish online I'm picking them up via
 >DS> sneaker net.
 >
 > Thanks, Dave.  Will do.  I've found one place, but it is in British
 > Columbia, and I don't like paying those type of phone rates <G>.

Anything on my hard drives in general files are 'freqable' John....be careful
if you request *.gif,for the missing children's GIFS though,as I do have a
couple of other sports illustrated directories<g>.....you might be online all
day :-(.....as long as you request an 'exact' filename,if Planet Connect sent
it,it is available here......Jim

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From: JOHN DODSON                            Number: 1522
  To: MARK ADKINS                              Date: 06/06/94 11:05a
Subj: Not The Phone Company                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

MA>I hope all of the people in Fido and the other networks that are
MA>receiving this echo don't judge the RIME network as a whole by the
MA>actions of a few.

Thanks Mark, I agree with you 100%... we don't need this junk in this
conference.

MA>I've never used Insulate.net before and I've been in RIME since '87 but
MA>there's always a first time. (is it still called that???)

Yes, it is still called insulate.net (pretty fancy name for a twit
filter.. <g>) ... thanks again and good luck!

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From: BILL ARLOFSKI                          Number: 1523
  To: CHUCK WARREN                             Date: 06/06/94 10:53a
Subj: Moving mail files                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >  * Origin: Code Plus BBS ■ 14.4k & Satellite! ■ 912-953-1053
                                      ^^^^^^^^^

Hi Chuck, WOW! I ony have a DISH to receive the relayed transmissions from the
satellite, but you have your own? Did it cost a lot? How much did NASA charge
you to place it?

<Smile> and Double <smile>

Bill Arlofski
Reverse Polarity BBS

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From: BILL ARLOFSKI                          Number: 1524
  To: JIM TAYLOR                               Date: 06/06/94 11:01a
Subj: Fishnet                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Well, I guess I need to eat Crow... Ah, Fish... :-)  Thank you
 > forsending me your infopacket.  And no, I didn't see anywhere that
 > a sysop
 > has to pay to join fishnet.  I do know that there was a network
 > that did
 > make your pay, and I thought it was the fishnet, but I must have
 > been
 > wrong.  Again, thanks for the info.
 >
 > Sorry for shooting my fingers off.

That was the geneology network... I just got through looking at those files
when they came in...  :)

Bill Arlofski
Reverse Polarity BBS

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From: CRAIG CLARK                            Number: 1525
  To: BILL WERELEY                             Date: 06/03/94  2:31p
Subj: Am I all alone......                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 BW> R.S.V.P., anyone?  Please?  P l e a s e ? ? ?

Working very well for 99% of us - perhaps something in your setup is
askew?

-=- Craig.

... Tag line thievery ... On the next Geraldo!
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From: BILL JUSTIN                            Number: 1526
  To: CHUCK GUSTAFSON                          Date: 06/05/94 11:39p
Subj: PC USENET FILES                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Chuck!

03 Jun 94 22:10, Chuck Gustafson wrote to Jim Ouellette:

 CG> I think you need a different tosser.  FastEcho tosses the backbone in
 CG> about 10 minutes and then it takes another 15 minutes or so to pack the
 CG> pacckets for the other nodes.  (386DX40)

How did you get the Usenet Newsgroups into FastEcho?
ie. the names of many are too long.

L8r

Bill

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From: GLENN VERMETTE                         Number: 1527
  To: CHARLES WEBB                             Date: 06/07/94 12:09a
Subj: Re: rocker                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

*** Quoting CHARLES WEBB to EDDIE MONEY ***

CW> Mr. Eddie Money, please if you are the rocker I am a number 1 fan
CW> of
CW> you!  Where abouts are you, were do you hang, I just think you
CW> know how
CW> to put on a show without charging a whole paycheck.  You bring
CW> tears to
CW> my eyes with your sincerity when you rock.  I can't believe you
CW> are so
CW> generous with your concerts.  I haven't missed one when I was
CW> close
CW> enough to it.  This is unreal you must not be the real Rockin
CW> Eddie, if
CW> not I'm sorry, but I hope you know where I'm coming from cause the
CW> rockin Eddie Money, is too damn cool.

Hello!  Hello!  Time to wake up!!

Glenn

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From: N.L. HARGROVE                          Number: 1528
  To: KEN FLORY                                D